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Old 06-01-2012, 07:23 AM   #1
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NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

Hero (BB): $26.69
UTG: $28.95
CO: $20.30 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 3.9, Fold to 3bet: 39, 4-bet range: 2.7, Raise Flop Cbet: 21 Hands: 16410
BTN: $22.36
SB: $20.30

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.80, CO calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.70) 7 9 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.85, CO raises to $5, Hero ???

Villain is tight and likes to call 3Bet with pocket pairs and Axs.
What's our move?

Raise CBet 21% is high, but against Ax it's coin flip and far behind vs set.
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Old 06-01-2012, 07:33 AM   #2
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

3b bigger preflop, jam over his raise.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:05 AM   #3
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

raise pre bigger, bet flop bigger, get it in.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:41 AM   #4
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

Are those the only reads you have after 16k hands or are they datamined?

Without too many reads, I'd shove flop.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:46 AM   #5
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

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Are those the only reads you have after 16k hands or are they datamined?

Without too many reads, I'd shove flop.
Datamained. I've never seen cbet raise in 3b pot from him before.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:35 AM   #6
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

Fold to 3bet: 39

makes it even an easier shove. If he setmined, then gg, fish have to win sometimes aswell.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:10 PM   #7
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

his 4bet range is Ak,KK,QQ,Aks, ... bet bigger on flop.... i dont see him doing this with 10 10 or JJ... he has set or nut flush draw.

this is shove on flop or fold... you dont want to just call and be oop ... so many scare cards he can bet on the turn.... im nitty so i fold here.

if you bet bigger on the flop...to him it will signal that you have a strong hand like pocket pairs... and if he raises you then you know he;s probably not bluffing ..
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:59 PM   #8
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

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his 4bet range is Ak,KK,QQ,Aks, ... bet bigger on flop.... i dont see him doing this with 10 10 or JJ... he has set or nut flush draw.

this is shove on flop or fold... you dont want to just call and be oop ... so many scare cards he can bet on the turn.... im nitty so i fold here.

if you bet bigger on the flop...to him it will signal that you have a strong hand like pocket pairs... and if he raises you then you know he;s probably not bluffing ..
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:41 PM   #9
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

Pretty standard shove
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Old 06-05-2012, 03:03 PM   #10
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

I get it in here...

POKER2000 awesome post one of the reasons I read here.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:03 PM   #11
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

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I get it in here...

POKER2000 awesome post one of the reasons I read here.
Except that the post you are referring to advocates betting the flop bigger to gain more information and also advocates folding, both of which are pretty awful imo.

Be careful what advice you take is all I'm saying.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:26 PM   #12
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

primary reason bet more on flop for value and 2nd reason for information and less chacne you 'll be in a difficult spot on the turn.
it should be obv that you should be betting more for value from 1010 jj qq

betting small like that puts you in difficult spotsl
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:28 PM   #13
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

Villain has a large raise cbet percentage and ur bet looks like a cbet with AK/AQ so I think it entices a raise I think I shove here
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:43 PM   #14
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Except that the post you are referring to advocates betting the flop bigger to gain more information and also advocates folding, both of which are pretty awful imo.

Be careful what advice you take is all I'm saying.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:46 PM   #15
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Re: NL20 KK vs Raise CBet @ Draw board

I'd happily ship it.
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