I was so so close to folding KK pre for the 1st time , as i am getting better at poker and understadning EV calculations and ranging , these spots are no longer an automatic click back , but still cant find in me to fold KK pre flop , im sure that calling this 4 bet here is probaly - EV

but kangs !!!!!!!

Honest opinions who folds and who calls , and why ?



888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 40 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 124.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 214.3 BB
UTG: 114 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP: 139 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 229.1 BB (VPIP: 19.06, PFR: 16.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.29, Hands: 392)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 2.2 BB, fold, CO calls 2.2 BB, fold, SB raises to 9.4 BB, Hero raises to 23.6 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 124.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 100.6 BB

Flop: (252.8 BB, 2 players) 9 2 8

Turn: (252.8 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (252.8 BB, 2 players) 6

SB shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 238 BB

it's easy: fold when they have aces, call when they don't

I'm getting it in there. He can have AK and QQ both of which you're ahead of. Only time I'm really folding KK pre is if I have a ton of hands on someone and they're 3betting like 1% of hands. Some bad regs do that.

It's -EV to fold KK pre without a huge sample size on a guy with less than 2% of 3bets pre.
And it's going to be -EV to think people at micros are only 4betting AA here always..
Beleive me, you will be winning in the longrun getting KK in pre.
Tons of discussions ran through this section all the time with the same results(at least opinions!)

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+1

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I love being a pedant so I make no apologies for saying folding is 0ev.

I do hate myself a little bit, if it helps.

maybe he thinks its-EV to 4bet/fold KK pre :P

Guys, look at the stakes here.
Think about general player pool.
If you played at these stakes (which I beleive you did) go and make a filter on KK ALPF and see it for yourself what is the result.
No, 4bet folding KK could be a good Idea, not in Micros in most cases.

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