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10-23-2013 , 09:38 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $10.05 (VPIP: 20.65, PFR: 18.14, 3Bet Preflop: 10.63, Hands: 809)
BB: $18.28 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: $12.10 (VPIP: 15.68, PFR: 8.79, 3Bet Preflop: 1.24, Hands: 431)
MP: $13.24 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: $9.29 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BTN): $17.03

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.25, fold, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55, 2 players) T 7 9
BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.35, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets $1.00, BB raises to $2.00, Hero calls $1.00
Maybe should 3b gii here? Not sure what affect being this deep has.

River: ($5.35, 2 players) 4
BB bets $5.11
Does he do this with worse do you think?
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10-23-2013 , 09:48 AM
I think he does that with T7s, T9, TJ+ so it's a call
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10-23-2013 , 10:02 AM
Call turn, fold river. Even if he has a full house, a T or a K lets you stack him.
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10-23-2013 , 10:17 AM
Snap. He's a ****** and you have trips with a good kicker in blindbattles.
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10-23-2013 , 12:10 PM
Think this is call too.

What does everyone think about raising?
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10-23-2013 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Winged Kuriboh
Think this is call too.

What does everyone think about raising?
I think it's fine if you're suicidal.
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10-23-2013 , 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winged Kuriboh
Think this is call too.

What does everyone think about raising?
Why turn our hand into a bluff if hes polarized?
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10-23-2013 , 04:56 PM
VPIP 40. Easy call.
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10-24-2013 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
Why turn our hand into a bluff if hes polarized?
Doubt this guy is folding AT.
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10-24-2013 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverSoSick
VPIP 40. Easy call.
A vpip of 40 has very little correlation with his turn raising range and river betting here, it's more likely he has a nut hand because he is a weak player and won't balance bluffs.
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10-24-2013 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
Snap. He's a ****** and you have trips with a good kicker in blindbattles.
So bad with that logic, just because he has a 40 Vpip doesn't mean he is min-raising worse than trips on the turn.

Justifying a play by calling someone a ****** even though you have no history on how he plays apart from that Vpip number.

Calling river is -ev.
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10-24-2013 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
So bad with that logic, just because he has a 40 Vpip doesn't mean he is min-raising worse than trips on the turn.

Justifying a play by calling someone a ****** even though you have no history on how he plays apart from that Vpip number.

Calling river is -ev.

I don't think you can immediately assume he never minraises worse on the turn. I def think he can raise every trips combo when he uses the line of minraising turn. He can do it with 9x or other random crap. It's not just his 40 VPIP, which obv isn't reliable over the amount of hands and together with his PFR doesn't say much.

I think turn minraises are pretty strong in general, but that I would give it less credit on boards like these. It's 10nl, blindbattles and a likely weak player when you have trips 2nd kicker, nowhere near an obvious fold. It seems like you are very nitty yourself and give other players too much credit imo (not saying this would be a very bad fold, because I understand your reasoning, but imo it's a pretty easy call).

@OP: Have you seen him limp or can you tell where he got his 40 VPIP from? coldcalling or limping?
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10-24-2013 , 08:48 AM
Call. He can have every Tx and some random spew as well as a few flushes/boats. He is probably raising 2pair some % OTF also.
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10-24-2013 , 08:57 AM
I think this is very close but I'm reluctantly calling and making a note, since we don't have any strong reads to do otherwise.

Raising is silly sausage.
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10-24-2013 , 09:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by neok
I don't think you can immediately assume he never minraises worse on the turn. I def think he can raise every trips combo when he uses the line of minraising turn. He can do it with 9x or other random crap. It's not just his 40 VPIP, which obv isn't reliable over the amount of hands and together with his PFR doesn't say much.

I think turn minraises are pretty strong in general, but that I would give it less credit on boards like these. It's 10nl, blindbattles and a likely weak player when you have trips 2nd kicker, nowhere near an obvious fold. It seems like you are very nitty yourself and give other players too much credit imo (not saying this would be a very bad fold, because I understand your reasoning, but imo it's a pretty easy call).

@OP: Have you seen him limp or can you tell where he got his 40 VPIP from? coldcalling or limping?
I actually play Tight LAG or loose TAG, it's just that most hands people post here like OP's hand seem like obvious folds vs fish.

There is a straight/flush and river possibility by the river and the only way this is gonna be +ev to call is if he spews on the turn and you can't assume that he is min-raising some junk on the turn and potting river if you haven't seem him do it before.

He can have worse TX, but the odds he gives on the river are bad and their isn't enough Tx combo's.
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