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10-03-2013 , 08:59 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $7.58 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: $4.95 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $12.25 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $13.78 (VPIP: 23.35, PFR: 19.39, 3Bet Preflop: 5.48, Hands: 204)
CO: $19.60 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 3

UTG raises to $0.25, MP calls $0.25, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15
Would you fold here? It just seemed so cheap to me! Would you even consider a squeeze?

Flop: ($0.80, 3 players) 9 A 8
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.30
I think his bet size means he has not got a good value hand. Would you make a value raise here on this wet board?

Turn: ($1.40, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70
Again his bet looks so weak. I have got myself in a tangle by being so passive maybe?

River: ($2.80, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.10
What would you do?
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10-03-2013 , 09:04 AM
i would fold the river he s passive ( PFR 0% )
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10-03-2013 , 01:02 PM
Check/raise turn.

As played... check/call/call/call is a really terrible line, especially with a weak ace.
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10-03-2013 , 01:45 PM
Why would we want to check raise the turn?
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10-03-2013 , 02:02 PM
We picked up equity with a turned backdoor nut flush draw
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10-03-2013 , 02:20 PM
There's no real point turning our hand into a bluff with a c/r here.

Villain's sizing would indicate that he's fishy so isn't likely to fold better.
His sizings are weak so we might have the best hand.
We are getting a good price for our FD and we don't wanna get shoved on when we can draw cheaply.
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10-03-2013 , 02:25 PM
+1, just call turn, fold river

Ask Norman Chad about the weak ace ahah
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10-03-2013 , 02:29 PM
c/r turn is pretty bad imo. if we had like bottom pair + FD we could do it but with top pair it's bad imo
+1 to fold river
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10-03-2013 , 02:34 PM
Disclaimer - i'm not very good....but i would have folded pre. You have a weak ace, facing a UTG raise. What are you hoping for on the flop? All clubs obviously but after that, A3x, 33x,AAx and not much else. If you get a dry JJx type flop you can fire a bullet but to call with A3s you're hoping to hit a perfect flop or a perfect flop to bluff at and hope your villian isn't a thinking player. If just one ace comes how do you know where you stand. You have top pair, no kicker, OOP facing an UTG raiser who you have no read on. Not a great spot if just an ace comes on the flop (which it did).

As played: calling flop is fine. calling turn is fine - could semi bluff the c/r as mentioned in the thread but if your c/r gets called you're done with the hand unless a club comes. Given the villians line, he could have a set by the turn as 99,88,77, all fit a UTG raise and small flop, 1/2 turn bets. He could easily also have a much better A than you.

Reality is, by the river, you don't beat much more than a bluff and since you haven't raised once you have no idea where you stand. As played, I'd fold river.
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10-03-2013 , 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
We picked up equity with a turned backdoor nut flush draw

This still doesn't explain why we want to try and bluff a seemingly bad player off TP or better...
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10-03-2013 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by strikershank
Reality is, by the river, you don't beat much more than a bluff and since you haven't raised once you have no idea where you stand. As played, I'd fold river.
a) he raised flop
b) never raise for info.. its a bad reason


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10-03-2013 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
a) he raised flop
b) never raise for info.. its a bad reason

Agreed - i wasn't advising raising turn or river...I'm saying that since Hero hasn't raised once (he didn't raise flop), is playing OOP, and given the board, you have no idea if your pair of aces is good or if you're outkicked or worse. Hence fold.

Only street worth considering a lead out would have been flop but then vilian could call looking for weakness on another street to fire a bullet and take pot away. Not having a read on vilian to know if they're capable of that, A3s should likely have been tossed pre - too few flops give you the strength OOP to carry on with any confidence.
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10-03-2013 , 03:58 PM
call river and wp
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10-03-2013 , 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strikershank
Disclaimer - i'm not very good....but i would have folded pre. You have a weak ace, facing a UTG raise. What are you hoping for on the flop? All clubs obviously but after that, A3x, 33x,AAx and not much else. If you get a dry JJx type flop you can fire a bullet but to call with A3s you're hoping to hit a perfect flop or a perfect flop to bluff at and hope your villian isn't a thinking player. If just one ace comes how do you know where you stand. You have top pair, no kicker, OOP facing an UTG raiser who you have no read on. Not a great spot if just an ace comes on the flop (which it did).

As played: calling flop is fine. calling turn is fine - could semi bluff the c/r as mentioned in the thread but if your c/r gets called you're done with the hand unless a club comes. Given the villians line, he could have a set by the turn as 99,88,77, all fit a UTG raise and small flop, 1/2 turn bets. He could easily also have a much better A than you.

Reality is, by the river, you don't beat much more than a bluff and since you haven't raised once you have no idea where you stand. As played, I'd fold river.
Villain is a fish and he probably isn't positionally aware so him rasing 2.5x pre from utg doesn't really mean anything. There are 2 people already in the pot and we have good odds to see a flop with weak players.

C/r is good here against regs but fish might not want to fold to checkraises so there isn't enough fold equity vs someone so unpredictable. I'd just call here to see if you hit, then shove if you hit. You really don't need to play anything but abc poker to beat these guys, just call when you have odds and get it in when you hit, and they will call often enough to make a sick profit where otherwise you would have too much fold equity.

Forgot to mention, the river is a fold. He wouldn't bet 3 streets without at least top pair and you only beat a2.

Last edited by jbeats245; 10-03-2013 at 04:21 PM.
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