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06-16-2017 , 05:38 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 164.3 BB
SB: 118.1 BB (VPIP: 18.87, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 53)
BB: 131 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 21.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP: 122.2 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 16.74, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 225)
CO: 21.3 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.2 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.2 BB

Flop: (17.9 BB, 2 players) 4 A 7
UTG checks, Hero bets 6.4 BB, UTG calls 6.4 BB

Turn: (30.7 BB, 2 players) K
UTG checks, Hero bets 11.4 BB, UTG calls 11.4 BB

River: (53.5 BB, 2 players) 8
UTG checks, Hero bets 28.4 BB,

How profitable is this given NL10 population? Thoughts on river sizing?
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06-16-2017 , 07:16 AM
Why 3b utg with QJs? Against utg just fold pre.
For 3b/f i would chose lower suited connectors.

As played flop is close, because the board is almost too wet. I would prefer to just check/fold our hand and bluff turn/river if he decides to check turn to us.

As played tun could be bigger, since you want to deny against 88-QQ, 7x, 66-55 and the draws.

As played river just give up, don't see anything folding to that size that called flop and turn on that runout.
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06-16-2017 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by siebenacht
Why 3b utg with QJs? Against utg just fold pre.
For 3b/f i would chose lower suited connectors.
Fold pre is pretty nitty.

I prefer a flat.
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06-16-2017 , 07:39 AM
Agreed on pre. Flatting is my default but against this V I think in game I was thinking given V's stat he's likely to have a more linear RFI so I decided to 3b this one. Could be close in EV imo
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06-16-2017 , 08:04 AM
How does having a linear RFI support a 3B in this spot? It suggests the opposite to me. What's the thought process?

Seems like an easy flat PF.
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06-16-2017 , 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alci
How does having a linear RFI support a 3B in this spot? It suggests the opposite to me. What's the thought process?



Seems like an easy flat PF.


Him having linear rfi means we are not doing so bad against aq aj ak 66-JJ. 10-20% difference in equity doesn't affect our playability postflop as the 3bettor (on various board textures). As a caller we are not doing so well flatting this kind of hand against his range. However my default for QJs against reg in this spot is still flat. Hope that makes sense.


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06-16-2017 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by siziono
Him having linear rfi means we are not doing so bad against aq aj ak 66-JJ. 10-20% difference in equity doesn't affect our playability postflop as the 3bettor (on various board textures). As a caller we are not doing so well flatting this kind of hand against his range. However my default for QJs against reg in this spot is still flat. Hope that makes sense.


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u have 32 hands on villain dude

that's like 5 rfis at best

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06-16-2017 , 08:43 AM
It makes sense. It's just seems wrong. QJs will have probably close to 40% raw equity vs a idk 15% linear range. Bluffing this guarantees that we're behind any calling range. It lessens our positional advantage by bloating pot PF, giving you less flexibility PoF. The only positive is 3B could potentially fold out some better hands, but is this the best use of the equity QJs has?
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06-16-2017 , 09:02 AM
Easy flat pre on the button. You could get away with 3betting weak against UTG once in a while but in that case I'd rather do it with a hand like A5s. I don't mind barreling since you rep a very strong range having 3bet UTG however your sizing is completely unconvincing to me and I would be inclined to look you up lightly in Villain's shoes.
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06-16-2017 , 09:11 PM
You don't have any information on villain that would even suggest that 3betting will give more EV than calling. Your sample is too small to provide you with much of anything, other than the possibility that villain might be a reg.

I think there are better flop textures for this line, and I don't think you credibly rep any value hands with your sizings. I'm also not sure that the flop is dry enough to warrant a sizing quite that small. If you do opt for 1/3 on the flop though, I definitely think you should be sizing up the turn.

I don't think your river sizing really matters since I see villain calling with a majority of their range, looks unprofitable to me regardless.
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06-16-2017 , 09:13 PM
Flat pre. Folding QJs pre otb is laughable.
Betting the river doesn't look like a good idea. Given your bet size on the flop, he can easily call you down with KQs/KJs/KTs.
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06-16-2017 , 09:23 PM
With my 3b and small flop n turn bet I can still have A4s AK KK AA 56s. I doubt range wise it's profitable for him to call with KQ or AJ/Q, which is most of what I was trying to fold out. Are you guys saying I should be betting bigger otr ap?


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06-16-2017 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by siziono
With my 3b and small flop n turn bet I can still have A4s AK KK AA 56s.
Why wouldn't you size your value hands larger to get stacks in by the river?
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06-16-2017 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Why wouldn't you size your value hands larger to get stacks in by the river?


Well it's a 3bp so I won't be having that many bluffs on this texture. Also at nl10 people don't often call down 4 barrells in this spot without a big hand themselves. I would rather exploit this overfolding tendency by playing a more balanced bluff/value range here.


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