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Old 08-12-2012, 12:34 PM   #1
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NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($13.26)
Hero (MP) ($10.55)
Button ($10)
SB ($11.46)
BB ($10.41)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 9, 4, 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($2.10) K (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.10

Villain is 30/17 28%agg 0%3-bet 80%ftflopc-bet(4/5) 77 hands

I didn't notice his 80% ftflopc-bet when I played hand, if I had, I proberly would had folded.

As played and unaware of his ftflopc-bet, would you call flop? And is there any point in trying to bluff him off his hand either on turn or river as he only bets 30c on each?
And do we have the odds to call river?
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Old 08-12-2012, 12:55 PM   #2
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

Certainly not folding the river after calling flop and turn.
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:11 PM   #3
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

I think his range here is probably something like 55-88, I would tend to fold flop and as played I would probably raise the river, I just can't see him having air here ever and I dunno, maybe he folds his medium pairs with the flush having come in and the river King
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Old 08-12-2012, 01:42 PM   #4
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

Thanks for answers!

@BPBK ye river is proberly him playing his low PP, 4x, honest. I think most players, even donks, would bet river a lot bigger if they had 9x or better, expecting me to call with Kx which is a big part of my range here. Problem is, that even if that is the case, sometimes he will still call a raise. I'm not sure if raise size should be big compared to his bet, og taking total pot in consideration. Against a really bad donk I would tend to just make a raise that looks big compared to his own bet, more than I would raise looking at total pot, expecting it to look almost as strong in his eyes, so saving money. (etc. a raise to 1,50$ would look big compared to his raisesize, while against a reg I would proberly go for 2$+ in this hand(not that regs ever bet like that, but just for clarification)

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Old 08-12-2012, 02:47 PM   #5
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

River fold is a big mistake IMO. You're getting 7:1, I'm sure he's bluffing more than one in eight?

I only fold in these spots if a lot of his bluffs beat me too.

I don't want to go into psychology too much but I think a lot of people worry too much about making a "mistake" (in the sense of calling against a better hand). It feels bad to pay off such an obvious valuebet.

If you make a "mistake" 8 times out of 10 by calling that means that calling is still the right play. In the end your emotional reaction should reflect this fact. I.e. you should be extremely satisfied if you turn out to have the best hand and only slightly disappointed if he has better.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:10 PM   #6
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

A more import statistic is the number of times he leads into the IR, did you have that?

Either way, assuming we didnt have significant statisctics calling flop is okay. Assuming you have some sort of plan and can have a good postflop game. If not, folding the flop and taking a note is fine also.

Obv, you can't fold the river with those odds. You may win a very small % of the time, and either way, those 30pennies is def worth the info you are getting


Let me say this at last, your overall line is not good. By calling flop, and then seeing such weakness from your opponent, u have to make a move w/ just ace high.

Raise turn and try to steal this pot away.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:02 AM   #7
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

I'd raise/fold the flop. He doesn't rep much with that donk, but the problem is a lot of his hands beat your ace high anyway. I'd raise to get folds from 22-33, 55-88 and maybe even a call from FD (though getting it to fold with ace high is no bad result).
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:07 AM   #8
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Re: NL10 AQo IP against donkbet and then weak c-betting

I wouldn't be to concerned with winning the pot on the river id chuck the 30 cents in just for the info. Im sure there's a few hands you might be ahead of as'well who knows. Calling for info is probably more valuable in the long run here any way.
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