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02-23-2017 , 01:22 AM

siziono

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,125

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 244.2 BB (VPIP: 28.71, PFR: 22.77, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 106)
SB: 259.4 BB (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 10.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 105)
BB: 113.2 BB (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 31.82, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 22)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 12.28, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 116)
MP: 499.4 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 10.26, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 79)
Hero (CO): 287.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 30 BB, BTN calls 21 BB

Flop: (61.5 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 24.4 BB, BTN calls 24.4 BB

Turn: (110.3 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets 57.9 BB, Hero calls 57.9 BB

River: (226.1 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, BTN checks

Feel like I should've x/shove turn. Thoughts?

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02-23-2017 , 01:48 AM

4bet20x

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 222

The way you played it and x/j turn are both fine. I prefer x/c to x/r this deep though.

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02-23-2017 , 02:26 AM

whitemares

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,762

I think it's fine. I don't think we really want to x/r here at this stack depth vs a reg that we don't have a dynamic with.

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02-23-2017 , 04:55 AM

smetiardopici

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Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 305

c/calling seems fine for pot control since we're this deep. Being 100BB deep bet would be better.

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02-23-2017 , 05:12 AM

DomnulPescar

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Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 636

So we c/c and we are left with like 120bb otr in a 220bb pot. Are you folding river then? Only reason im ever c/c this turn is if i think he has trips or smth and im folding river but really oop u are just giving him a free river and he can very likely have draws this deep, so id c/jam this turn. Also betting turn is something to consider. I however dont see the turn c/c as a viable option. The turn card imo is very good for us because it narrows down his range to QQ, Qx and draws really unless u think hes 3betting 88 and 99(more unlikely with the turn)

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02-23-2017 , 06:15 AM

siziono

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Betting then getting shoved on this deep is even worse. He's not going to flat my bet w/ random draws except some combo draws and his value shoving range has me crushed.

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02-23-2017 , 08:46 AM

DomnulPescar

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Originally Posted by siziono

Betting then getting shoved on this deep is even worse. He's not going to flat my bet w/ random draws except some combo draws and his value shoving range has me crushed.

So his call bet bet line also has you crushed, right? Are c/c turn hoping that river goes check/check? Or whats the plan when we c/c turn oop? Or are you folding river like 80% of the time?

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02-23-2017 , 08:54 AM

smetiardopici

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yes, if he shoves river we're folding, not a great spot 244BB deep.

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02-23-2017 , 09:54 AM

DomnulPescar

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Originally Posted by smetiardopici

yes, if he shoves river we're folding, not a great spot 244BB deep.

So you dont have a calling range when the river bricks? I dont know how you feel about that, but to me it seems pretty f***ing exploitable.

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02-23-2017 , 10:40 AM

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siziono

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River is another street. You have to make the decision based on your perceived range and villain's range and how they perform on each street.

Checking OTT allows him to bet with his bluffs and us shoving will gain maximum EV from it, instead of betting and have him shove perfectly and give u a hard time calling

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02-23-2017 , 11:08 AM

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DomnulPescar

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Originally Posted by smetiardopici

yes, if he shoves river we're folding, not a great spot 244BB deep.

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Originally Posted by siziono

So what range are you asigning villain ott?

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02-23-2017 , 11:16 AM

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siziono

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AQs TT-JJ KK AK maybe occasionally 88-99 but that's only 5 combos.

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02-23-2017 , 03:06 PM

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DomnulPescar

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Originally Posted by siziono

AQs TT-JJ KK AK maybe occasionally 88-99 but that's only 5 combos.

Id add some sc like 56s, 67s, 78s and 89s and take out 88-TT (this should be a flat this deep, right?) and maybe some JTs and 9Ts if he felt funky. In other words, i think we pretty much smashing this range but once the turn pairs, i do agree with you, c/shove is probably the best play because that way we extract maximum value from bluffs and he probably isnt calling a turn bet with any draws because he is basically drawing dead to QQ.
PS. Are you so kind to share with us his holding?

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02-23-2017 , 08:16 PM

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whitemares

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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar

So you dont have a calling range when the river bricks?

Not calling AA here /= not having a calling range.

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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar

I dont know how you feel about that, but to me it seems pretty f***ing exploitable.

It's not. And even if it were, this is 10nl, less than 5% of the player pool is even going to attempt to adapt enough to exploit us.

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02-23-2017 , 08:27 PM

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DomnulPescar

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Originally Posted by whitemares

Not calling AA here /= not having a calling range.

So how does your calling range look here when villain shoves otr?

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Originally Posted by whitemares

It's not. And even if it were, this is 10nl, less than 5% of the player pool is even going to attempt to adapt enough to exploit us.

When we c/c turn its pretty transparent what we have and if you are telling me you fold this im always shoving any river

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02-23-2017 , 08:50 PM

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whitemares

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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar

So how does your calling range look here when villain shoves otr?

I'm not going to answer that, but it can include AA.

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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar

When we c/c turn its pretty transparent what we have

Not sure why you're making this assumption.

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Originally Posted by DomnulPescar

and if you are telling me you fold this im always shoving any river

You'll notice I didn't say that at any point, but if you want to shove the river with 100% of your range in this spot against every single reg, then good luck to you.

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02-23-2017 , 08:59 PM

#17

4bet20x

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I want villain to shove on brick rivers.

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02-23-2017 , 11:11 PM

#18

siziono

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V can't profitably shove his whole range on any brick river because we have just about the same amount of nutted hands as he does if not more when taking this line.

V had AQdd btw.

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02-24-2017 , 02:23 AM

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DomnulPescar

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Originally Posted by whitemares

I'm not going to answer that, but it can include AA.

Not sure why you're making this assumption.

You'll notice I didn't say that at any point, but if you want to shove the river with 100% of your range in this spot against every single reg, then good luck to you.

lol why even bother writing this comment, but whatever really, im just very sorry for everyone who thinks folding AA otr is a viable option

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