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Old 06-17-2012, 05:53 PM   #1
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NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

V is 23/17/4.5 af (200 hands)
5.7 3bet, 0% (3 hands) F3bet

    Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13243292

    BTN: $13.53 (135.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): $11.77 (117.7 bb)
    BB: $14.31 (143.1 bb)
    MP: $20.32 (203.2 bb)
    CO: $6.77 (67.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
    MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, MP calls $0.90

    Flop: ($2.50) J 3 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

    Turn: ($5.30) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $2, MP calls $2

    River: ($9.30) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP checks




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    Given his reasonable AF, I was hoping to induce a raise or bet on turn/river
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    Old 06-17-2012, 05:59 PM   #2
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    Bigger OTT. River check is ok, he can bet with missed clubs or Jx. Doubtful he calls with an underpair.
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:02 PM   #3
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    You need reads to do that, just bet OTR
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:02 PM   #4
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    "Had I known" that he wouldn't bet, yeah i would have made it bigger on the turn, I was just trying to look weak :S
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:03 PM   #5
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    turn i would make it like $3.20~
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:10 PM   #6
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

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    You need reads to do that, just bet OTR
    +1

    Never check the river with the best possible full house!
    In hands like these, where the opponent is calling both flop and turn, I like to make the river bet very big. Because I think they will either call or fold to any bet size. And if you check you are giving him good reads FOR FREE!
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:17 PM   #7
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    He showed up with

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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:25 PM   #8
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    He missed an easy vb though....
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:34 PM   #9
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

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    He missed an easy vb though....
    It's not an easy valuebet.
    What can we have that is c/c the river?
    I don't think we should really c/c AQ KQ AA KK, but those are pretty the ones we can do it with. AA KK aren't always betting because Jx is ahead and underpairs don't call very often.
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    Old 06-17-2012, 06:53 PM   #10
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

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    It's not an easy valuebet.
    What can we have that is c/c the river?
    I don't think we should really c/c AQ KQ AA KK, but those are pretty the ones we can do it with. AA KK aren't always betting because Jx is ahead and underpairs don't call very often.
    When we bet the turn bigger, we have like half a pot size bet left which means if we shove we give him great odds to call. Right?

    Edit: Wth my post I meant, if he bet turn bigger, we always shove river and might in fact get calls from AQ. So yeah, feels like he did lose a lot of value.
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    Old 06-17-2012, 11:16 PM   #11
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    Checking the river almost never induces a bluff. Inducing a bluff is something you set up earlier (flop or turn). PLUS, he's called our flop and turn bets so he obviously has SOMETHING, we should put in some money and hope it's good enough to pay us off.

    Now on sizing, you have roughly 9 dollars left on the turn and you are certainly looking to get it all in. You can do $0 then $9 (bad) or $4.5 then $4.5 (also bad) or something in between that makes sense like:
    $2.5 (into 5.2) then
    $6.5 (into 10.2).
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    Old 06-17-2012, 11:18 PM   #12
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    oh god this is a mess

    shove the river ainec

    his flushdraw combos are AKcc/AQcc/KQcc/ATcc - figure out what he's gonna do with them and why betting is clearly better than checking (also, he shoves AKcc/ATcc on the turn > KQcc/AQcc)
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    Old 06-18-2012, 04:44 AM   #13
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    Bet turn bigger. River is an easy shove. His bluffing range range on river is relatively thin. The only air hands he can realistically have are missed flush draw combinations. He checks back all underpairs/showdown hands. His calling range on the river should be all jx combinations, and sometimes over random pair hands that don't believe. His value bet ranger on river when checked too are literally only jx hands. Given his calling range is larger than his bluff/value range, and given he calls anything with jx anyway, it makes much more sense to manipulate the pot size ourselves by shoving.

    Shove is by far the best option here.
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    Old 06-18-2012, 09:38 AM   #14
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    bet-bet-bet and more OTR.
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    Old 06-18-2012, 09:45 AM   #15
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    Re: NL 10 - 3bet pot against reg - max value w nuts ?

    Micro limits - Tight aggresive . I think you should have played aggresively on the river as well making 2/3 pot sized bet or a small bet for value 1/3 pot sized .

    PS . Turn bet is too small , should have been around 4~ . 2 additional dollars from believers of the flush gods.
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