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Old 10-01-2007, 09:15 AM   #1
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Exclamation **A new user's guide to uNL**

HOW TO NOT SUCK
A guide to good posting at uNL

(Note: This is a forum for 6-max hands. There are separate forums for full ring and heads-up play that you'll find on the left sidebar)

Hello, and welcome to the two plus two micro stakes hold'em forum (uNL). I'm happy that you're here. No really, I am - without its members, this forum would not exist, and every person who posts on this board helps to make it the best free resource available for learning how to play profitable micro stakes poker. For new members, please read our new users guide here.

Now having said that, there has been a very worrying influx lately of posts which suck. Of course its not up to me to decide why these particular posters decided to make these awful posts, but it is up to me to write this guide so that you, the unwitting uNL poster, can avoid invoking the wrath of the uNL mods' lockhammer.

That's probably the main reason you're here - from this point forward, I'll be posting a link to this sticky when I lock your thread if I deem your post to suck. Because as much as I love to slap people on the wrist, eventually my lockhammer hand gets weary and the joy of deleting posts wears off, and I start to think "man, if only people could just improve". So here goes - listen carefully.


This is a Strategy Forum

2p2 is a big site which has been sectioned off into different areas of interest. What this means in essence is that certain things are appropriate on some areas of the site, and are not appropriate in others. This forum is a strategy forum, meaning that the basic purpose of this forum is to discuss poker theory and post micro stakes hands which we can talk about. What this also means is that just about everything else you can think of to start a thread about in this forum is not appropriate. Here's a small list:

Things which are not appropriate to start new threads about in uNL

- How good you play
- How good/bad you ran today
- How you're so unlucky
- Asking where you can get free stuff
- Asking if you can buy a database
- Asking how to use poker software
- Asking where the games are good
- Asking some dumb question about FPPs or similar
- Questions about HOW MUCH CAN I WIN PER HOUR AT 5NL
- Questions about HEY GUYZ WHAT SITE IS BEST FOR 5NL
- Asking a question which has already been answered a million times
- Posting your stats and saying "LOL CAN U TELL ME IF I AM PLYIN GOOD"

ETC.


It doesn't take a huge intellect to see that the basic criteria for a good post subject is whether or not you are posting a hand. So in summary, post hand good, post something else bad. MMmmmmkay? If you feel like you want to do other things, this site will more than accommodate you. Go to the front page and scroll down the list of forums. Choose one which is appropriate to your needs and go crazy. Note that if you are under 20 years of age, use the internet more than 3 hours a day, and have never been laid, you are looking for this forum. Have fun.


Wow that's so mean, you're an evil sociopath, this forum sucks, whine, moan, etc

Firstly, yes I am a sociopath, and thanks! Secondly, of course we are not an iron clad communist boring forum. We have various threads for shennanigans which are detailed below, and we encourage you to have fun, get to know your fellow posters and improve your poker network. The purpose of these other threads is to contain the posts which have nothing to do with strategy into nice little piles, so those people who wish to use the forum for its main intended purpose don't have to wade through a million "WOW LOOK HOW MUCH MONEIUES I WON TODAY!!1!" posts. These are the threads:

Micro BBV
Here you can post all your Beats, Brags and Variance. There is a site wide BBV but they are generally unfriendly to uNL'ers because they are huge mad money ballers, so here you can comiserate/celebrate with your fellow penny pushers.

Monthly Microbrew Thread
This is where you can post just about anything without fear of reprisal from the mods. Note that if you take that literally and post porn, illegal stuff, profanity, abuse, etc etc then I will extend my far-reaching ban-hand and slap you into the ban-hole.

Graphs/Goals/Results Threads
These crop up around the beginning of each month, so we can all post our results for the last month, outline our goals for the next month, and post some pretty graphs for everyone to ooo and ahhh at.


Continued below, where I outline once and for all what constitutes a good post as opposed to a bad post.

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Old 10-01-2007, 09:16 AM   #2
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Re: HOW NOT TO SUCK - A guide to good posting in uNL

Okay, here are the basic criteria for a "good strategy post". Some are optional, others are mandatory. If you have all of these in your post, you get a gold star. If you have some, you get a silver star. If you have none, your post sucks and that's probably why you are reading this thread, so listen up and get better.



1. One hand only per post

We are all volunteers here, none of us (not even the mods) are paid. So when you come to us with a post that contains 34 hands, you look like a rude, self obsessed and ignorant fool, because it looks like you expect someone to actually sit down and trawl through your dross, like we have nothing better to do with our time. If you have almost no posts, if looks even worse. Keep your posts to one hand at a time. If you have a recurring problem, then post one hand and say "This keeps happening to me, how can I stop it?". If the hands are similar, there is no need to post more than one.

There are exceptions to this rule. If you have history with a player, it is often extremely beneficial to post the hand which gave you your read, or which you feel got under his skin and put him on tilt, or where he stacked off light etc etc. You can say "I noticed such and such about this hand *post hand* and now onto the hand in question". This helps us all to understand your reasoning. Or, you can post two hands where you have the same hole cards, and similar action, yet you are in different positions. You can say "how does my being in position in this hand *post hand* make the optimal play different than when I am OOP in this hand *post hand*?.

Use your brain. The practice of posting more than one hand when the hands bear no relation to one another is frowned upon and will negatively affect the quality of the advice you receive.



2. Convert your hand history

It is simply not good enough to post a raw hand history into a post and expect people to decypher it. They are very hard to read and most people will just ignore your post and you wont get any replies. Converting your post is very easy. Just go to the Legopoker Hand History Converter, pase in your raw HH, make sure your output is set to "2p2", press "convert" then copy and paste the output straight into your post body. Easy as pie.

Some smaller poker sites are not supported by Legopoker, but most big sites are. If you cannot convert your hand, at least make an effort to tidy the hand history up a little. Remember that I'm telling you this for your benefit - if nobody can read your post, they wont bother to reply to you.



3. Give reads

Poker is a dynamic and fluctuating game where observing your opponent, as well as yourself, plays a crucial part in determining the best course of action in a particular hand. Thats why we supply reads with our posts. Here's a good checklist of questions to answer in your post body:

1. How have you been playing? (Loose/Tight, Aggressive/Passive)
2. What are your PAHUD stats for this session? Overall?
3. How has villain been playing?
4. What are villains PAHUD stats for this session? Overall?
5. Have you noticed any betting patterns which villain has? (Calling station, bluff maniac etc)
6. Have you tangled with villain before? Does he have a reason to think a certain way about you?
7. Has villain shown down any odd or non-standard hands, and what did you deduce about this?
8. Is villain playing multiple tables?

etc etc etc.

You get the picture - the more information you can supply us with, the better we can form our own conclusions about the hand.



4. Outline your thought processes

We need to know why you did a certain thing in the hand, if it isn't immediately obvious. If you raised the turn when you normally call, tell us why. This doesn't have to be extremely detailed, just tell us what you're doing. For example "I usually would just call the turn with TT here but I decided to raise because vs this guy I feel like he can call off with his straight draw, which would be +EV for me. What do you guys think?".



5. Do NOT post results!!!

Don't include the results (i.e. your opponents final action) when you post your hand. This influences the responses you will recieve because people get results oriented, which is very bad poker. You should chop your hand history at the point where you want to ask what to do. For example, you get bet into on the turn, and you want to know whether to fold, call or raise. In reality, you folded, but if you put that in your post then people will see that you folded and make all sorts of judgements about what you should have done and how you play weak etc etc. If you just leave it so you don't show what you did, your responses will be much more positive because people will be forced to think about what they would do, rather than what you did.

Again there are exceptions here. If you want to ask about a line, ie. all decisions which you took from beginng to the end of the hand, then post the whole hand. BUT - STILL DONT POST RESULTS. You can reveal results to everyone once the discussion has run its due course.



6. Dont make your thread title obvious

You may have been able to establish by now that the objective of good posting in this forum is to disguise the results of the hand you played so you don't influence the minds of those who are responding to you. So when you post a hand with a subject of "Anything else I could do here?" or "Bad beat or bad luck"? or "Could I get away here?" or "Played wrong?" you automatically let the poster know that you lost the hand and you think that you misplayed it. Dont do this. You must keep your title non-specific, like "50nl: AA facing turn raise" or "50nl: Strong draw gets a lot of action on the flop" or something like this. Just describe the situation you are in, and then in the thread, ask what you think you should do. Don't influence the minds of the posters, give them a chance to think for themselves.



6. Do not post boring and standard hands

Of course this is subjective, but only to a certain point. If you're unsure about a hand, you should post it, but if you post about something that has been gone over a million times, like "Should I fold KK preflop?" or "Should I stack off with middle set"? then you'll probably have your thread locked. If you have a really, really standard spot that you're still not sure about, but it doesnt warrant its own thread, post it in the microbrew thread! That's what its there for.



6. Do not post one word replies

Read this thread.






That just about covers it. I'm going to start a new thread where you can all discuss what I've laid down in this thread. You can suggest things you think you could add to it or tell me that you think something is unfair, or whatever. You can find the thread HERE..

In the meantime, have fun, enjoy the forum, and good luck at the tables.


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Old 12-13-2007, 05:52 AM   #3
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Re: A guide to good posting in uNL(New User's guide inside)

The new inbuilt HH converter is ready to use! Thanks to AJmargarine for this handy guide.


When you are making a new thread or making a post, The Hand Converter is located above the reply box on the menu bar. Click the expand button on the right of the menu bar to enter your hand history then click convert. The converted text will show up in the reply box. Multiple hand histories are allowed.

Click the button to expand the Hand Converter box:




Paste your HH in the box, click convert:




The output will automatically post in your reply box:



The following sites and games are supported:

PokerStars and Full Tilt: Any Hold'em and Any Omaha (hi or hi/lo) cash game or tournament hand (STTs and MTTs).
Party and UB: Any hold'em and Omaha HI cash game and most tournaments.
Absolute: All hold'em hands and most tournaments.
Bodog: All hold'em.
Crypto: All Hold'em.

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Old 01-22-2008, 09:08 PM   #4
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WHAT NOT TO POST!!! (read this or face the consequences)

I have been locking a lot of threads lately, all seem to share a common theme. DO NOT POST ABOUT ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

1. Staking. Don't ask for it, don't offer it.
2. Coaching. Don't ask for it, don't offer it, even if its free
3. Stats threads. We have a uNL stats thread, post your stats there and only there for feedback.
Stats thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...wpost&t=232833
4. Beats. Until you have taken the 989-1 perfect perfect in a 500+BB pot, I dont give a ****.
5. Posting just cause you lost. You had AA, he had 99, flop was 952 and you wonder if you should see if coming, whereas if he has TT there you don't post the hand.

If I catch any of these threads from this point on I will be giving temp-bans and infraction points.

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Re: WHAT NOT TO POST!!! (read this or face the consequences)

I'd like to re-iterate what Emc has said above, and add the following:

We moderate this forum hard because this forum and this site are designed to be the best strategy sites on the net. You should not be starting new threads about basic topics, because the stickies at the top of the forum are full to the brim with information about how to play good solid poker, and they contain more than enough information to make you a winning player.

The purpose of this forum is therefore to discuss the non standard and genuinely tricky situations which crop up from time to time and help us to "break the pattern" and improve ourselves as players. If your question is overly basic, it means that nobody can gain from your question except YOU, which is NOT what this forum is about. It is up to you to teach yourself the basics by using the huge amount of high quality material available in the stickies. If you have a really basic question that you just can't wait to ask, use the microbrew thread. That's what it is there for.

You might think that we are being too harsh when we lock your threads and penalise you, but doing so is the only way we can keep the standard of posting to a premium and make the forum as good as it can be for all its members.

Thanks for your understanding, and good luck at the tables.
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Old 06-23-2008, 04:52 AM   #6
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Re: **A new user's guide to uNL**

New addition since my sticky seemed to have gotten deleted and I've had to warn/infract people about this a few times in the past couple of days:

uNL is a VERY high-traffic forum. There are a lot of people taking their first steps towards learning to beat this game. As such, there are a lot of questions that the new player feels the need to ask; but if everyone were able to ask every question from every session of every day, no questions would be answered due to the sheer number of threads. For this reason we've been following a 2 threads per day rule. Posting any more threads than this WILL get your posts locked or deleted and infraction points assigned to your account.

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