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02-05-2010, 08:05 PM
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#1081
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old hand
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,582
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
Gotta put the Mark grace quote in here "A slumpbuster is when you have to take one for the team. It's finding the biggest, nastiest, fattest broad, and you put the wood to her to come out of your slump. Also known as 'jumping on a grenade for the team'."
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02-05-2010, 08:36 PM
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#1082
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 629
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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Originally Posted by aixelsyd
- Spend a week at $10NL.
- Play a very basic strategy (whether nit, TAG, or LAG - whatever your style is), focus on why you are making each play.
- Play only a few tables.
- If you start stressing out, take a break and do something fun (such as a hot chick*)
In a week, see how things are going, and decide whether you are ready to move back up to $25. If so, play the same style at $25 you were playing at $10.
*consider doing a fatty for karma
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Ive played NL10! 14bb/100 over 10k hands. I only played until I had 20 BI's for NL25.
I play TAG pretty well IMO
Doesn't make a huge difference if I play 4 or 8 tables, im able to play pretty much the same.
I don't tilt anymore! In the rare cases that I do tilt, i take breaks, watch a movie or whatever.
Its just so frustrating. I play pretty much fit-fold because bluffing is just impossible! Why is bluffing impossible at NL25 you ask?
Because its impossible to put people on hands! Ive seen people min3bet me with j10o Ive seen it with AA Ive seen it with 47s. I mean, nothing makes sense! And its not a rarity or anything, that people play hands weirdly, it happens ALL THE TIME.
So basically I play fit-fold. now the thing about playing fit-fold is Im alot dependent on making money going to showdown, which is where I feel im unlucky! The question I have to pose IS, am I not giving up when I am sucked out on, or is it just standard variance?? Like say I get AA, raise preflop, all the standard stuff. Flop comes down K82r. bet/call. Turn is 10, bet/call. River is maybe another 2. Shove/call. Ooops villain has K10. Is that a cooler or should I have folded somewhere along the way??? Its that sort of stuff.
I guess the only way to truly find out is to hire a coach but their all too expensive. Ill just ride this one through and see what happens for the next 30k hands.
One last thing. When im playing NL10, im like almost 100% sure im making the right decisions. I have confidence. In NL25 I dont feel that way, because people play so random I have a really hard time being confident about making the right play because I am so often wrong. In the end I feel like im just guessing what people have. Im quite a good hand reader and I often read well but there are so many times where you just go "what?!". Its these moments that make me doubt my skill.
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02-05-2010, 08:49 PM
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#1083
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Virginia
Posts: 6,290
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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Originally Posted by Bojangles90
Its just so frustrating. I play pretty much fit-fold because bluffing is just impossible! Why is bluffing impossible at NL25 you ask?
Because its impossible to put people on hands! Ive seen people min3bet me with j10o Ive seen it with AA Ive seen it with 47s. I mean, nothing makes sense! And its not a rarity or anything, that people play hands weirdly, it happens ALL THE TIME.
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Poker is not really about bluffing, but even at 25NL there are still spots to do it (from today's session):
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
SB: $35.27
Hero (BB): $26.35
UTG: $58.30
MP: $26.32
CO: $64.28
BTN: $25.00
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 3  3
1 fold, MP raises to $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75
Flop: ($3.00) 5  A  4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $1.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $4.25, MP folds
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
BB: $26.19
UTG: $43.45
CO: $32.36
Hero (BTN): $31.86
SB: $16.39
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 7  6
1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.75, SB calls $2.65, 2 folds
Flop: ($6.50) Q  Q  5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3
Turn: ($12.50) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($12.50) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $26.11 all in, SB folds
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02-05-2010, 09:05 PM
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#1084
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 128
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
what made you take those lines?
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02-05-2010, 09:07 PM
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#1085
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2009
Location: former winner of flips
Posts: 5,102
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
hand 1) he's simply betting 100% of his range on that flop and a flop raise will show profit by itself even if we always c/f turn plus we also have 6 outs to continue with if we are called.
hand 2) he's prob. only calling a shove 10% of the time or less given his line
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02-05-2010, 09:12 PM
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#1086
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Land of Freedom
Posts: 1,087
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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Originally Posted by verneer
Poker is not really about bluffing, but even at 25NL there are still spots to do it (from today's session):
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Yes, but don't try to be over aggro, you'll get things like this (only 14 hands on villain at the time):
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
Hero (BTN): $25.50
SB: $25.35
BB: $27.36
UTG: $23.15
MP: $26.13
CO: $17.37
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q  A
2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50
Flop: ($5.35) 8  3  A (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3
Turn: ($11.35) 5 (2 players)
Hero says "Another barrel!", BB bets $7, Hero calls $7
River: ($25.35) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $14.86 all in, Hero calls $13 all in
I see a lot of those guys on the micros, squeezing and 3b-ing all the time, without thinking further. It makes the regs mostly more exploitable though.
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02-05-2010, 09:39 PM
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#1087
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enthusiast
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 92
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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*consider doing a fatty for karma
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this
and play it simple and stupid, the money will eventually come back (been there, done it, bought the t-shirt, etc.).
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02-05-2010, 10:13 PM
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#1088
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centurion
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 179
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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Originally Posted by sevendeuc24
I'd love some sort of beginners guide to hu.
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+1 Verneer,
HU definately something I have dabbled in very unsuccesfully. I think it would be an excellent game to practice hand reading etc
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02-06-2010, 02:11 AM
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#1089
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journeyman
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: operating the light in tha fridge
Posts: 356
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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Originally Posted by udbrky
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thanks for this very much
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02-06-2010, 02:22 AM
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#1090
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 195
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
Verneer
muchos respect. there arent many guys who have beat unl and come back 2 help quite like this
most of them r dooshes who come back just for teh ego boost. it is nice to see that u dont do that once itt
props to ice_w0lf too great addition to the thread (did u get coaching?)
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02-06-2010, 10:12 AM
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#1091
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old hand
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: sitting in a tin-can
Posts: 1,525
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_chopchop
put me down for the whole package
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+#
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02-06-2010, 11:27 AM
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#1092
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grinder
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Operating the DOOM SWITCH
Posts: 587
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
Bojangles,
It's often hard to figure out why you lose in a given session. Is he sucking out and coolering you via luck? Are you failing to read when he hit his draw, and being stubborn?
I recently went through something similar. For a while, I was making 30bb/100. I was calling lots of aggressive river bets, almost all of which were lame bluffs. Suddenly, I felt like I was doing the same thing, but I was getting value-towned. My HEM stats say my VPIP and PFR are the same. I think the big difference may have been whose bets I was calling.
Here are my suggestions.
1) You have not told us if you have done a slump -buster yet. I suggest hanging a salt lick outside your home, and nailing the first fatty it attracts. I it is critical that you hang it up outside your home because your karma queen may not be able to fit in through the door.
2) Someone created a script whereby all values on the table are listed as number of bb, rather than actual cash values. Find this, and play a few 10 tables and a few 25 tables at the same time without knowing which is which. This will rule in or out the possibility of mental issues.
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02-06-2010, 01:20 PM
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#1093
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centurion
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 100
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by verneer
Question for you guys ... someone pointed out to me privately that since this is a 6-max forum, you guys probably don't want to hear me talk too much about Full Ring or other forms of poker. Is this pretty much the case?
I know that once my bankroll hits a certain amount, I will start incorporating some HU into my play (because 50NL HU is very very soft and HU is my B&B[1]). I'll also continue to mix in some Full Ring. I feel that all of them are integral in building a bankroll at the micros for me. I also think that both FR and HU have a lot to potentially teach you about short handed play.
So ... thoughts? Do you just want to hear about 6-max theory, application, and experiences, or do you want to hear about the total package (SH, FR, and HU play at uNL)?
[1] B&B = Bread n' Butter
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Definitely all three. I am taking a similar approach of trying to move through the micros. I think the three teach you different skills, all of which are applicable at 6-max if that's your game of choice.
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02-06-2010, 01:36 PM
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#1094
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adept
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 860
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
verneer, i'm mega interested in the coaching on Thursday that you mentioned. Are you going to post details here or in a separate thread??
Also, I'm interested in HU much more than Full Ring. I'd rather see a separate HU thread though and keep this one to 6max
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02-06-2010, 02:52 PM
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#1095
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newbie
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 19
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Re: Moving Up Through uNL in 2010
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Originally Posted by gt_ie
verneer, i'm mega interested in the coaching on Thursday that you mentioned. Are you going to post details here or in a separate thread??
Also, I'm interested in HU much more than Full Ring. I'd rather see a separate HU thread though and keep this one to 6max
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I would prefer same thread so I don't have to constantly refresh two different threads >.>
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