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Leading the pot with flush draw NL5 Leading the pot with flush draw NL5

05-29-2017 , 03:18 PM
Is it ok to lead like i did until river or was it donkie from me and should be checking turn instead with draws? (HUD not allowed on fast tables on 888 so i can't know vilain range)

888 Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 158 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (SB): 136.2 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 21)
UTG: 50.4 BB (VPIP: 19.61, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 52)
MP: 107 BB (VPIP: 39.13, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: 45.8 BB (VPIP: 13.74, PFR: 11.45, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 134)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

fold, MP raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB calls 8 BB, fold

Flop: (20.8 BB, 2 players) 9 3 5
Hero bets 10.4 BB, BB calls 10.4 BB

Turn: (41.6 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 20.8 BB, BB calls 20.8 BB

River: (83.2 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 96 BB and is all-in, BB calls 59.8 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows K A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 47%, Turn 25%)
BB shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 66%, Flop 53%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins 191 BB
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05-29-2017 , 04:04 PM
Against this guy you dont have foldequity almost never OTT, however you do have good potequity and between checking or betting I prefer betting, our opponent makes lesser mistakes when we check I guess... Other good point is that we build a good pot to shove OTR as we did...
The Q is wht happens if he raises us OTT? well I think we just fold, next hand...
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05-29-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mchares
Against this guy you dont have foldequity almost never OTT, however you do have good potequity and between checking or betting I prefer betting, our opponent makes lesser mistakes when we check I guess... Other good point is that we build a good pot to shove OTR as we did...
The Q is wht happens if he raises us OTT? well I think we just fold, next hand...
Sweet thanks! do you know where i can learn more about pot/fold equity? i never calculate those and i'm kinda noob at that lol
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05-29-2017 , 04:18 PM
Google: Easy game by Baluga wale, that book can help you out
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05-29-2017 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mchares
Google: Easy game by Baluga wale, that book can help you out
Cheers mate, appreciate the help
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05-29-2017 , 05:33 PM
Alright so just a quick note on pf when oop like in the SB or BB I generally elect to go for a larger 3b size than I would if I was in position from the button. So you go to 9bb when I would go to something 11-13bb. The reason is because in general, a player has an incentive to play a pot in position vs out of position as I'm sure you already know. As a result, villains are likely to call more IP vs OOP. So therefore you need to raise more so that villains can't see flops for cheap IP. In addition you get to play a pot with a lower SPR which you want to do OOP. You're sizing here doesn't really matter in this hand, just something for future reference,

So in general when the BB calls in a spot like this alarm bells should be going off in your head because it looks extremely strong. There is a common trap I see people make all the time where they flat in a spot like this with really strong hands, enticing the original raiser to shove in which case they get it in good. At the very least the original raiser will probably flat and then villain will see a flop with an extremely strong hand which still is pretty good for him. In this specific scenario, BB has pretty fishy stats (large gap in vpip/pfr) so this will make his range a lot weaker, but then again 28 hands is a small sample so not a whole lot can be inferred based on this. So typically in a spot like this I think BB range looks something like TT+, AQs+,AKo and literally thats it. Maybe 99 or like 88 or something trying to set mine, but only if villain is really really bad. Even his AKo he will probably elect just to 4b with instead of trying to disguise it. As a side note, you didn't mention your 3b stat, but if it is high and you resteal a lot this would be more of a reason for villain to flat his strong value hands because if he 4b and your range is weak you're going to fold a lot.

When the original raiser folds that's really weird because they have such a sick price and the ability to close the action but whatever it doesn't really affect the rest of the hand.

So all things considered this is a good flop for us with the NFD and 2 overs. However, keeping villains range in mind that I previously just mentioned (TT+, AQs+,AKo) this is also a very good board for him. So if you bet, you should not expect to get very many folds. Keep in mind you also block the hands that would probably fold to a bet (AK/AQ) and don't block any hands that will call a bet, namely TT,JJ,and QQ. Then of course he still has AA and KK just not as many combos as the others. On top of that, the hands that will fold to your bets are hands that you dominate in equity (AQs/AKs), so it is better to keep those hands in there that can elect to bluff that you can call against profitably. Therefore I think a c/c is much better in this spot or maybe even a c/r here even though I'm not really sure what you'd be repping. If you start to flat KK/AA pf in this spot then I think a c/r is really good. Like I said, the reason you bet this hand on this board is as a semi bluff and for a semi bluff to work to need fold equity, which here you don't have in my opinion. A c/r on the other hand would allow you to stack off in a situation where you'll have good equity and will also put villain in a spot where he'll probably make the most mistakes.

On the turn another 9 rolls off which shouldn't affect either of you. Like I said his range still consists mainly of overpairs that aren't going to fold on this turn card. As played though I think this is a situation where you should bet turn and plan on jamming any river. Now this is villain dependent and for this to work you need for villain to be a thinking player who will fold his weaker overpairs on the river, putting you on stronger ones (AA or KK). If this player is fishy who will call down with TT or JJ in this spot, then betting turn accomplishes nothing because he's just going to call with the best hand.

So on the river our club comes and you jam which is obviously good. To be honest I'm sort of surprised he called as I find it is common at the micros for players to automatically assume a player has a flush as soon as it comes. This is another reason why I think c/r flop is better because on the river you don't have a single bluff. You either have a flush or you have an overpair so this then requires villain to have an extremely strong hand too.
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