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Old 06-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #1
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How to get max value with a monster??

Only have 58 hands on SB but I know hes not great from what I have seem avg fish

I find myself lost when I hit a monster on the flop....how would you have played this?

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.00
CO: $8.46
BTN: $3.43
SB: $10.20
Hero (BB): $9.94

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.40, 2 players) K K 9
SB bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26

Turn: ($0.92, 2 players) K
SB bets $0.46, Hero raises to $0.92, SB calls $0.46

River: ($2.76, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $8.56 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $2.63
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:31 PM   #2
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

river bet like $2.20.

rest is fine. could even give reason to flat the turn,
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:37 PM   #3
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

Defo bet river ~$2. Turn is a weird spot, flatting has a lot of merit but noone ever gives you credit for quads so if you raise villain probably calls with 1010+ then we can bet river. Also if you raise turn definately don't minraise.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:47 PM   #4
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

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Defo bet river ~$2. Turn is a weird spot, flatting has a lot of merit but noone ever gives you credit for quads so if you raise villain probably calls with 1010+ then we can bet river. Also if you raise turn definately don't minraise.
I min raised because I didn't know how nitty he was, but I can def give that a shot next time I am in a similar spot.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:01 PM   #5
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

Raising flop here is a consideration... people won't credit you for having a decent K when just flat their steal preflop, so a raise looks like a pair of nines or lower or a flush draw or just total BS. Villain dependent, but if he's a loose-caller I think flop is the spot where he'll give you the least credit. Then when the third king on the board comes it looks even more likely your flop raise was BS, so its easy to get it in if he has a 9 or TT+.

As played, do a little more than a minraise on the turn, bet a normal amount on river. People don't give you credit for quads unless you take a crazy line like minraise turn, shove river that no one ever does unless they have a monster.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:01 PM   #6
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

Raise more on the turn. Not many players are going to believe we have quads bvb. We probably 3-bet all better pairs than 9x so as a result he never folds 9x or better, and probably sometimes calls with 88 or something because people get fishy, weird, or stubborn.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:21 PM   #7
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

I think the rest is fine, but you played the river like a fish, not even joking, a big massive drowning fish, drowning in the excitement of quads.

By betting a NORMAL amount you will get much more value out quads rather than shoving it.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:32 PM   #8
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

Raise a lot more turn and bet big, but not crazy big otr.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:52 PM   #9
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

I disagree with river shove being bad. No one at this level folds their full house but they won't raise it when you bet. The rest of the hands will fold except maybe some random A high. Clear shove for me. I've gotten called with 22 on this board.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #10
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I disagree with river shove being bad. No one at this level folds their full house but they won't raise it when you bet. The rest of the hands will fold except maybe some random A high. Clear shove for me. I've gotten called with 22 on this board.
This is why I did it and I was upset that I was getting a crap amount for a ballin hand....I know he could raise pre with a wide range but i hoped it might be aa-tt
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #11
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Re: How to get max value with a monster??

lol minraise turn overbet shove river


flat turn > raise turn
it underreps your hand and it doesnt scream IVE GOT THE NUTS either
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