Originally Posted by Barfunkel
I have some trouble in playing 3-bet bluff hands when I get a call and hit a small piece of the flop.
Ie, the opponent folds to 3-bets 80% of times, 1000 hand sample. I 3-bet A7o as a blocker bluff. Flop is 237. Do I cbet this, when the opponent often has me beat when he calls with a hand like 88-QQ. Do I check-call OOP or check in position? How about the turn, if it goes check-check on the flop and I don't improve further on turn and the opponent bets to me?
Well, let's see. If you have 1000 hands on someone, you should have an idea of their overall tendencies. More importantly postflop.
The factors that determine our postflop play are pretty vast.
We need to know how aware he is. How positionally aware he is. How he views us. Have we got any history? How has the table been running? How do the games we are both regular's in usually play?
Let's say we have a smaller sample to simplify things. If you 3b someone with 80% FT3b with A7o, it depends on where you 3b from and where he opened from and how agro he is postflop.
Let's say we 3b his BTN steal in the BB with our A7o (which I would probably never do because this hand is so horribly bad) and he calls.
In this spot, his preflop calling range is at it's widest. You need decent standard assumptions of certain player types to start figuring out what to do. Guys with super high FTcb will tend to still have a relatively wide flatting range BTN vs BLINDS because it is a popular restealing spot, as apposed to say CO/BTN (when we are BTN) because they are OOP and probably are scared of playing 3b pots OOP like a lot of people.
Something like KQ/AJ/88-JJ, QQ half the time and most players just 4b KK+ but can (and correctly) occasionally flat to trap you if you are aggressive postflop.
If you hit the 723r (rainbow I am assuming) there are a number of things you can do.
You can cbet and fold out anything that missed, which would be the easier line to take but might not yield the highest profit. Although it should generally show a profit as long as they aren't floating us. If they are we need to fire 2 barrels or check to induce on the turn otherwise they are making money floating us and in turn we are losing money because they are floating us and we aren't adjusting correctly.
What is more likely to yield a higher profit assuming you can play reasonable postflop poker, is to check/call and re-evaluate later streets.
Sometimes people stab AJ/AQ, which we have crushed, they basically always stab KQ, which only has 6 outs vs us and of course the PP's in his range have us crushed.
When we XC flop ,we rep SDV, since most regular's expect us to bet our air on such a dry flop and this makes people hesitant to fire multiple barrels. Also people dont really take bet/check/bet lines as a bluff, so when they check behind turn we are almost always going to SD vs hands we beat and not worried about being bluffed.
So it's decent to just XC a bet and see if they slow down. Most players will just bet once and give up or try to GTSD with ace hi plus sometimes they might check back overpairs trying to induce a bluff and let you spike a 5 outer.
But there is a lot more to it than that and I am not very good so I dont want to be filling your heads with strange standard lines and you go off trying them and it doesn't work out and you get frustrated lol
I watched "Turning the Corner" on DC by sthief09 and this took my 3b game to the next level so I highly recommend it if you are serious in improving in 3b pots.
Originally Posted by PlayLikeRussian
So this was played on anon tables so assume whats our plan if we assume villain is an unknown reggy looking guy. Pretty weird line and sizing in this hand I thought.
Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (BTN): €20.00
SB posts SB €0.10, BB
posts BB €0.20
Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero
, Hero raises to €0.60
, BB raises to €1.80
Flop: (€3.70, 2 players)
Turn: (€3.70, 2 players)
BB bets €2.50
River: (€8.70, 2 players)
BB bets €5.50
standard call/call for me.
villain could have any suited Qx here that decided to check flop for pot control and is now trying to play 2 streets against your mid pairs.
sometimes he can have JJ/TT himself trying to get called by small pairs like 66-99 and sometimes he can have Kd/Ad or something that took a stupid line as a bluff.
sometimes you see AA/KK that went for flop check raise and sometimes 8x but w/e, can't fold toptop after checking behind otf in a 3b pot.