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Old 02-25-2011, 01:07 PM   #1
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GT_IE's Guide to 6 Max for Beginners

I thought I'd give something back to the forums because they've really helped me over time. I'm a bit more of a lurker than an active poster, and I read a lot more threads than I open or respond to.

So, over time I've created a beginner's guide to play Micro Stakes 6 Max UNL. Here's a link where you can download it. Below that is a table of contents so you can see what you are getting...

Cross posted in UNL and Beginner's Forum. Enjoy

http://www.sendspace.com/file/q6xj5l


Introduction
Setup
Holdem Manager or PokerTracker
Pokerstove
Rakeback
TwoPlusTwo forums
Trulyfreepokertraining.com
Table/Seat Selection
6max or full ring?
Take Notes
Heads Up Play
Drinking while playing
Bankroll Management
Where the money comes from
Preflop Play:
Hand Strength
Balancing your range
Should my PFR% be closer to VPIP% ?
Position
Aggression
Opening
3betting
4betting
Squeezing
Punish the Limpers
Use your HUD
Flat Calling
Flat-call for Set-mining:
Flat-call, Suited connectors:
Flat-call, Blind defense
Flat-call, Family pots:
You got 3-bet, now what?
Stealing
Blind Defense
Effective Stacks
Postflop Play
What's your hand worth?
1 Pair Hands
Consider some options
Continuation Betting
Delayed Cbet
Check Calling
Check Raising
With monsters when you put your opponent on a strong hand
As a pure bluff
As a semi-bluff with a strong drawing hand
For value against an overly aggressive player
You got Check Raised
Double Barrels
Playing In Position
Playing OOP
Extraction/Value Betting
Combo Draws
Showdown Value
Floating
Bluffing
Bet the Scare Cards
The Turn
Check Behind
Non-Standard Lines
Slow Playing
The power of the almighty FOLD BUTTON
Thoughts on running bad
Conclusion
Hand Chart
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:11 PM   #2
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Re: GT_IE's Guide to 6 Max for Beginners

I might check it out when I have time and leave my comment here.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:56 PM   #3
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Wow, thanks man! I've downloaded it, and will read it today. It should be a great addition to the Fee guide and HoH. Wtg.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:14 PM   #4
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sounds promising, I'll def give it a try thx.


btw: I would give you the advice to convert the file to pdf-format cause only this ensures every user can open it no matter which system/configuration they use. also it won't allow people to make changes.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:20 PM   #5
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will take a look at it

I used to live in decatur, btw.
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Old 04-07-2011, 07:17 AM   #6
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very nice. beautiful

good job OP. wish I read it when i was starting.
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Old 04-07-2011, 07:26 AM   #7
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Re: GT_IE's Guide to 6 Max for Beginners

Skimmed through it, will take a closer look later though.

Looks solid either way :)
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:42 AM   #8
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Re: GT_IE's Guide to 6 Max for Beginners

The setup section is nice and useful, but im going to have to give this a thumbs down.

I think there are things in the guide which are wrong and will confuse new players, some of the hand examples are badly played and shouldn't be emulated, and the later sections of the guide are woefully undeveloped.

Ill show a few examples.

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This hand illustrates the power of position well. Imagine the positions were reversed(see my thoughts after the hand).

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
CO: $19.92
Hero (BTN): $25.63
SB: $25.00
BB: $36.11
UTG: $25.00
MP: $18.91

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q K:
UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.60, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.85

Flop: ($5.55) 7 6 8 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4

Turn: ($13.55) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($13.55) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: $13.55

Hero shows Q K (a pair of Kings)
UTG mucks J J
Hero wins $12.88
(Rake: $0.67)

1) If I opened and he raised, I would have to fold KQ. Instead I can raise and be the aggressor
2) If I was out of position on that flop, I would probably have checked. JJ would bet and I fold.
3) On the turn, the Ace is bad for both of us. I get to check behind now and take off a free card though. If I was out of position, I check and he can bet the scare card and win.
4) On the river, I finally hit a winning card. Only because I was able to use position to even see the card.
5) On the River I can also check behind since I have showdown value with second pair. Even though I have a likely winner, I don’t think there’s any sense in betting. A lot of better hands will call and most worse hands will fold. What worse hands could I possibly expect to call? KJ??
I don't think this hand is correctly played. 3betting preflop turns our hand into a bluff against most villains for no explained reason, and our cbet really won't have enough fold equity. Turn should be a card thats tempting to barrel, not a terrible card we must check behind on.

Im not going to quote it because its a page long thing but you also advocate shoving over 3bets with premiums to get calls. This really isn't going to be a good play, as against any player you remove the opportunity for them to spew and 5bet bluff shove or to spew and flat a 4bet, and you also fold out marginal hands which might otherwise have shoved (oh he might be 4betting me as a bluff, I can shove JJ, ect.)

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Punish the Limpers
Bad players will limp into the pot... (I edited out some stuff for space) If they/limp call, assume they have a small pair or MAYBE low suited connectors. With that in mind, after the flop you will know what to do. If they suddenly get all aggressive, assume they hit a set or strong combo-draw and give it up.
Thats a fairly narrow and inacurate range to put a limper on.

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Double Barrels
C-betting flops and checking turns is weak-tight poker. If you aren’t going to bet the turn, then it was probably one of those situations that you should not have cbet. Don’t be afraid of monsters under the bed. Don’t let him have a free card to hit his draw on the river.
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Don’t be convinced that there are monsters under the bed. Every check raise doesn’t mean he flopped the nuts. First, do you have something? Top pair or better or a strong draw? Then ask yourself what he might have. Is this a wet board (there are a lot of draw)? Is he in the blinds? Some people flat call your steal attempt preflop and check raise most flops as their blind defense mechanism.
If it was a small check raise and you’ve got something, then don’t be afraid to call and re-evaluate on the turn. If he leads the turn with a big bet, then you can fold. If he checks the turn, you can check behind if you have showdown value or put in a bet if you are convinced he is drawing and you are ahead
These two sections are examples of stuff which waffle about a subject and don't give any useful information. This wouldn't help a new player, and would probably be detrimental for them to read.

I don't mean to be harsh, and you deserve props for wanting to give back to the community, but I don't think this is a good guide :/
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:53 AM   #9
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Re: GT_IE's Guide to 6 Max for Beginners

Sounds like the guide might be decent ill take a look at it later n give u feedback.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:29 AM   #10
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The setup section is nice and useful, but im going to have to give this a thumbs down.


These two sections are examples of stuff which waffle about a subject and don't give any useful information. This wouldn't help a new player, and would probably be detrimental for them to read.

I don't mean to be harsh, and you deserve props for wanting to give back to the community, but I don't think this is a good guide :/

I don't know much on the OP but i assume he wrote this guide from being a winning player. I don't mean to be harsh on you but it is called "GT_IE's" Guide to 6 max. It is his belief system on what makes a 6 max player a winning player. Last time i checked there is nothing written in stone on exactly how you have to play an exact way to win. There are multiple ways to win and be successful that do all come back to basic core values.

If you don't agree with the information you read don't use it. On the flip side ! i can see how a new player who doesn't know much might misunderstand the information given in context. Try not to be bias here lol. Either way give the dude some love for putting the time in to make this.

Ill read it later and let you know my thoughts GT. Nice job.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:20 PM   #11
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Downloaded.

I'll give it a look over today. Thanks for taking the time OP, more reading for me is never a bad thing.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:25 PM   #12
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If you don't agree with the information you read don't use it. On the flip side ! i can see how a new player who doesn't know much might misunderstand the information given in context. Try not to be bias here lol. Either way give the dude some love for putting the time in to make this.

Ill read it later and let you know my thoughts GT. Nice job.
I have to disagree with you here. I think Rob Filter made a fair assessment of what he read in the guide. I'm glad he gave an honest opinion of what he read and I hink he did that pretty fairly and coherently really. The OP asked for feedback and Rob Filter's post was a good response to that imo.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:01 PM   #13
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These two sections are examples of stuff which waffle about a subject and don't give any useful information. This wouldn't help a new player, and would probably be detrimental for them to read.

I don't mean to be harsh, and you deserve props for wanting to give back to the community, but I don't think this is a good guide :/
Rob, Thanks for the feedback. That KQ hand isn't the greatest hand ever, but I chose it to illustrate some points, which I was actually making while showing both players hole cards. I was saying that the A was, in fact, a bad card for our hands assuming. Not necessarily a bad card to barrel, but a card that could have given our opponent a better hand. And most importantly, how that information is processed differently if you are IP or OOP. If you are in position, you have the CHOICE to check behind or barrel after your opponent acts. Yes, maybe I should have bet, but the point was more about view how that hand plays differently from IP vs if I had been OOP.

And I don't understand your point about waffling?? My point in both sections you quoted seems consistent. Don't be afraid that villain always has the nuts. Is there really no useful information in that blurb about being check-raised? What factors do you think a player should consider when they've been check raised?
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:10 PM   #14
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I have to disagree with you here. I think Rob Filter made a fair assessment of what he read in the guide. I'm glad he gave an honest opinion of what he read and I hink he did that pretty fairly and coherently really. The OP asked for feedback and Rob Filter's post was a good response to that imo.
Totally true.

And here's what I would offer as a final word on critique's. Take everything I wrote with a grain of salt. Hell, take everything anybody writes that way. Seriously. Think back to Super System. Doyle gives advice on limping AA from early position. Just like everything else, that isn't right or wrong, it's just something to consider.

My guide is meant as just that, a guide. It's an introduction to a lot of topics. I started it as just an outline for a friend to give him an overview of all the topics he needed to be aware of as he tried to move up. Then, I decided I'd fill in some examples.

I'm not a professional poker player, nor author. Hopefully it doesn't confuse any beginner's and give them bad habits. I manage to win at a decent clip though after a lot of struggles and awareness of a lot of these topics is what helped me get there.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:12 PM   #15
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This looks interesting.. I will check it out when I get home from school.
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