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02-23-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Not even sure what to say about this hand, most of it is fairly self explanatory... (Villain 27/12)

Basically good fold or not?


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37649543

    SB: $5.53 (110.6 bb)
    BB: $5.04 (100.8 bb)
    UTG: $3.85 (77 bb)
    MP: $5.18 (103.6 bb)
    Hero (CO): $5.07 (101.4 bb)
    BTN: $5.85 (117 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with J K
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN calls $0.12, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.31) A 2 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.21, BTN calls $0.21

    Turn: ($0.73) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.48, Hero folds

    Results: $0.73 pot ($0.03 rake)
    Final Board: A 2 8 7
    Hero mucked J K and lost (-$0.33 net)
    BTN mucked and won $0.70 ($0.37 net)



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    02-23-2017 , 03:14 PM
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    You're getting direct odds to call it, also you've just shown weakness vs a 27/12 and in my eyes he'll stab with a lot of stuff since you're probably not playing any Ax like that
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    02-23-2017 , 03:17 PM
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    raise 3bb pre
    ap, fold is good, a high percentage of the time he is not floating otf on such a drawy board, ott we dont get the right odds and we are also oop so it will be hard to extract value if river is a diamond. likewise consider betting turn for 50% if you think villain might not have an A but oop it feels like a marginal play.
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    02-23-2017 , 03:19 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heinzz94
    You're getting direct odds to call it, also you've just shown weakness vs a 27/12 and in my eyes he'll stab with a lot of stuff since you're probably not playing any Ax like that
    no you are not, likewise and on drawy flops the chance that villain is floating you decreases, moreover his 0.50 into 0.70 doesnt look like a steal
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    02-23-2017 , 03:26 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DomnulPescar
    no you are not, likewise and on drawy flops the chance that villain is floating you decreases, moreover his 0.50 into 0.70 doesnt look like a steal
    28% might not be the odds that we need for our flush draw. I'm not even going to bring implied odds at the table but do you think that he only bets Ax's and sets there?

    OP Cbeted Flop with Flush Draw and x/f on turn unimproved. I'll float him any day of the week with a lot and I don't play 27/12
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    02-23-2017 , 04:03 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heinzz94
    28% might not be the odds that we need for our flush draw. I'm not even going to bring implied odds at the table but do you think that he only bets Ax's and sets there?

    OP Cbeted Flop with Flush Draw and x/f on turn unimproved. I'll float him any day of the week with a lot and I don't play 27/12
    you dont have implied odds if he isnt betting an A or trips, that being said you shoulod bet turn yourself if you want to see a river. if im checking turn, its because i gave up and im folding.
    1:2.2 about arent direct odds to river a flush
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    02-23-2017 , 04:17 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DomnulPescar
    you dont have implied odds if he isnt betting an A or trips, that being said you shoulod bet turn yourself if you want to see a river. if im checking turn, its because i gave up and im folding.
    1:2.2 about arent direct odds to river a flush
    You answered to everything except for what I've asked. Also I've never said that I either like/disliked the turn check
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    02-23-2017 , 05:59 PM
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    Dont fold turn.Bet again c/r c/c are all options but not c/f.V def have lower flush draws so we have implied odds
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    02-23-2017 , 08:20 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heinzz94
    You answered to everything except for what I've asked. Also I've never said that I either like/disliked the turn check
    V can have oesds, smaller and bigger flushes (less likely since we block many diamond hands), trips, two pairs or Ax. But this becomes irrelevant once you check turn. Im x/c turn here if i have sdv but on this runout i either c/f turn or bet it for 1/2 to see a cheap river
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