lol welcome to 10 months ago.

wait, wat?

srsly though, you could emphasise that fact that you are allowing your opponent to make mistakes when you 4bet to $30ish. He may bluff-shove, he may incorrectly gauge the % you're folding to a 5bet, whatever he does is going to be a harder decision for him, compared to a 3bet of 45$.

Great post

On table selection, I'm also shopping for tables when I've got 35+ VPIPs behind and TAGs to the right. Not cool to have your CO and BTN stealing neutralized.

My goal is to be 4-tabling and all the tables are juicy. So I will play up to 6 tables while I'm figuring out which tables are good. If I can't get 4 juicy tables I'll 5-table. But when I'm in a good situation on 4 tables I really want to concentrate on maximizing EV. When I do 5 or 6 tables I'm paying less attention.

yeah i gotta agree with a ton that was posted here cause i see this a lot too. the 6 tags to a table makes me lol but im not arguing as I see many of these regs compromise their winrate by constantly playing on the tables with other regs. Tbh i have no idea why so many tags have such bad table selection but I think it is something we should keep quiet about cause we wont be finding so many tables with 2-3 fish soon.

with regards to the 3betting light - i have to agree - i see a ton of tags constantly 3betting kq or 88 from the button when another tag with a decent steal percentage opens from c/o and then tank when they get a flop decision with top pair or simliar and end up either making an incorrect fold or getting stacked. It would be much better to call with these hands and simply3bet a polarised range - your TT+ AK etc. and your complete junk.

thanks for posting op.

hahahahah

i was just talkin about az in the brew. maybe this means he will return

I thought AZ returned..

Still an awesome thread!

Just wanna make sure of something: it's a mistake to 4bet/fold QQ right ?

Yeah, in +95% of the times it is. But what he was talking about, when he 4bet so large, villain was never shoving light since he knew he wouldn't have any FE because a 4bet to 45BB is committing you if you have a 100BB stack. Even if he 4bet to only 30BB, he was still calling a shove - but now villains range is wider (even though in this case he would show up with KK) since he thinks he has some FE.

Also, I think 4betting to 30BB is way too much, I generally aim at 25BB or around that.

great post!

Ok thanks I understood the "too much"-part. Just wanna be sure ^^

as a recent limitdonk convert who does this fairly often, this was a legit lol.

Good post! Thanks.

Thanks AZplaya for the great informative post. I sometimes have trouble with 3bet situations preflop and this post will help me. Keep up the good work! Thanks, Yojimgari

this is the most common mistake ainec
all the way up to NL200 I see this.

I see it the most from NL100. I mean I see these good players staying at tables when the game breaks up, and its like 4 Tags just exchanging blinds.

Awesome strat post, tyvm OP

thanks for the good info, not paying enough attention to when the fish leave the table is one of my biggest weaknesses. all to often i buy in on my 6 tables or whatever, and stop scanning the lobby. must change this!

This is the shortest and the best discussion of preflop 3-betting and defense against light preflop 3-betting that I've ever seen. I once did a search for posts about 3-betting, and none that I found were as simple and as useful as this one.

Thanks.

great topic. lots of good**** for me to learn.

@AZPlaya - i like section 1. so many times i'll be multi-tabling and forget to stop and size my bets correctly based on stacks etc. - life is so much easier when you take a couple of seconds to do so.

section 3 is great too,

good read, the quote made me lough a lot

Found this very usefull especially the why you 3bet and realizing a table is no longer +EV !!! Great Post!!

SickHero

always good to read over posts like this, even if it's just to reinforce some somewhat basic concepts. good stuff.

old thread but seems alright