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03-25-2017 , 11:13 PM
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    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37689460

    BTN: $4.24 (84.8 bb)
    SB: $5.67 (113.4 bb)
    BB: $19.89 (397.8 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $5.84 (116.8 bb)
    MP: $7.26 (145.2 bb)
    CO: $5.14 (102.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A
    Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO calls $0.15, BTN folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

    Flop: ($0.50) 3 Q 9 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, CO folds, SB calls $0.55

    Turn: ($1.60) T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.60) 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4 pot ($0.17 rake)
    Final Board: 3 Q 9 T 2
    SB showed 3 3 and won $3.83 ($1.93 net)
    Hero mucked A A and lost (-$1.90 net)



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    Is flop over bet really bad?
    can I fold river?
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    03-26-2017 , 01:03 AM
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    You should've bet turn imo, you have plenty of equity and range advantage that you don't have to worry about a x/r here.

    AP I think it's a call, near top of your range here since you checked turn, and some bad Vs can bet KQ or AQ here imo.
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    03-26-2017 , 04:18 AM
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    Bet smaller otf, turn is also a bet with the A of diamond. As played call

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    03-26-2017 , 04:30 AM
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    I dont like the bet sizing on the flop as we are getting hands that we want to call to fold.

    I quite like the turn check as he might bet his Q or try to bluff. If we are checking the turn we have to call a river bet.
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    03-26-2017 , 04:42 AM
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    Bet smaller on flop to get worse hands to call, and bet turn for value. River is meh, depends how thin villain is value betting, or if he just goes crazy with a draw.

    As others have stated, still gotta call it though.

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    03-26-2017 , 09:39 AM
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    Good size OTF, better to bet that amount rather than 50%-60%, you could make it smaller though, something around 75%-100% of the pot.

    Bet OTT again, 75%-100% of the pot.

    OTR it's a call, he may have some missed draws and non-sense, you don't need to be right a lot here in order to make it a profitable call
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    03-26-2017 , 10:01 AM
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    Good size OTF, better to bet that amount rather than 50%-60%, you could make it smaller though, something around 75%-100% of the pot.

    Bet OTT again, 75%-100% of the pot.

    OTR it's a call, he may have some missed draws and non-sense, you don't need to be right a lot here in order to make it a profitable call

    Yh I defo should have gone 80-95% looking back on it, even if I did that is barrelling turn not bad for me? I get folds from most of his QX that might bluff river on non diamond, he calls or raises with his made flushes and sets?
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    03-26-2017 , 10:08 AM
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    QX that might bluff river on non diamond
    He won't bluff Qx on River. He might bet them but not as a bluff.
    As said above, I'm also betting big OTF and OTT and most likely x/calling on River.

    AP I'm definitely calling, we undereped our hand by checking OTT.
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    03-26-2017 , 10:17 AM
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    Quote:
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    Yh I defo should have gone 80-95% looking back on it, even if I did that is barrelling turn not bad for me? I get folds from most of his QX that might bluff river on non diamond, he calls or raises with his made flushes and sets?
    Most people in the micros won't fold AQ to your turn and rivel barrel, trust me lol.

    Don't get tricky, just keep valuebetting.
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    03-26-2017 , 10:17 AM
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    He won't bluff Qx on River. He might bet them but not as a bluff.
    As said above, I'm also betting big OTF and OTT and most likely x/calling on River.

    AP I'm definitely calling, we undereped our hand by checking OTT.
    If you had AQ and bet the river, im pretty sure you are turning your hand into a bluff, what hands are you getting value from?
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    03-26-2017 , 10:22 AM
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    Quote:
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    Most people in the micros won't fold AQ to your turn and rivel barrel, trust me lol.

    Don't get tricky, just keep valuebetting.
    Yh true people just can't fold at 5nl, I miss 16nl so bad, will be back soon
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    03-26-2017 , 10:26 AM
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    It shouldn't be hard to be called by worse. Still, I've never said that I advised Qx to bet on this River, if we're taking SB POV, I'm saying that he's not betting Qx with the intention to make you fold better
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