Hey guys, I have heard this mentioned a few times but have never done it/understood it


As I see it, its when someone say check raises us and we dont really want to stack off but we think they can be bluffing, semi-bluffing a lot, so we decide to call flop and assume they barrel all these bluffs and semi-bluffs, so we then shove the turn if it is blank, just to fold out their equity and not put ourselves in a position of facing a river bet/let them realise their equity.

So, for eg sake, lets say in a SRP IP we have JJ and someone check raises our cbet BTN/BB on 972.

We think they have some bluffs and FD's but only stack off nut fd's and sets, which is -EV for us but we obviously have enough equity to call.

So, we call and 50% ott a blank comes off and we just jam? For the reasons I stated?

Or is this more applicable in 3b pots?


for example, say we have TT OTB, we open and BB who 3bets a fair amount, say 10%, 3bets us and we are unsure whether he is depolarised or polarised.

We call IP and board is the same : 927

(off topic, what do we do vs a cbet there? just ship it?)

lets say he cbets and we call and nice sexy little offsuit deuce peels. The 2. Say we think he will barrel a fair amount. What do we do there? take the flop call/ship turn line and just get it in?


Kind of confused about this so any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Seen this isnt in main forum page so bumping

I haven't played in a while but I think shipping turn is pretty bad. Doing it to "shut out equity" basically means we're only gonna get called by KK/AA/sets.
I think a safer default line is to just fold turn in both situations until you see evidence to do otherwise. If I had to pick one i'd be more likely to fold in the 3bet pot because I think he c/r's with a lot of flush/straight/combo draws in a normal raised pot.

i think first of all you should tighten your cbet range vs said players. playing back vs their range will be much easier. and we should fold JJ here IMO if we know he will barrel off. I think QQ + we can consider making a game plan for them. I think vs someone with high % c/r i like to raise turn for value before they get there with a semi-bluff, unless the board runs out greatly in our favor ott.
and in the 3b pot I am never shipping there.

I dont know if shipping that turn with TT is good vs. villains 2 barrel range on that board.

Obviously its dependent of villains aggression and barreling tendencies, but thats not the best turn to barrel with air.

so what, we just flat TT pre and fold the best turn for us?

also what if its like two fd's and 75% of rivers suck for us but its +EV to jam?

If jamming the turn is the highest EV play then that's what we should do, I'm just not sure that it is a lot of the time. Hopefully later on I can try and work out the math using various assumptions and see what's what. I think its a good question and I dont know the answer.

cool

Both of these situations I find problematic. However, on the 1010 hand, would it be viable to do a small raise on the flop versus his cbet?