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Old 07-24-2012, 03:24 AM   #1
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C-bet sizing IP and OOP

Half pot? 2/3?

Also does stack sizes influence how much you bet ever?
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:40 AM   #2
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Re: C-bet sizing IP and OOP

I never thought about letting position affect my betsize. Maybe something I should consider?

What affects the betsize are the flop (ie bet more, close to the pot on wet flops and something like half pot on drier flops) and the opponent (betting obviously bigger with strong hands against droolers, it's not like they can exploit it. Bet consistently against good opponents). Cards themselves don't and should not affect the betsize, except against the worst of opponents.

Stack sizes do affect it a bit. If the opponent is short, I try to bet sizes that don't lead into awkward bet sizes on later streets, ie if the opponent has 1,2x pot left for example I'll just bet that amount instead of a 2/3 pot bet, so that you're not left with pennies on the turn and have to maybe make a stupid call with a weak hand because of the pot odds, I rather make a stupid bet/raise with a weak hand than a stupid call.
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:46 AM   #3
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Re: C-bet sizing IP and OOP

i dont think position should affect our bet sizing that much
i think that in no particular order all these things should have the most impact on our bet sizing

1.our opponets
2.stack size
3.board texture


clearly against bad players that call way to often we can make it super big when value betting and really small when bluffing mainly because it wont affect there calling range that often and they most likely arnt paying that much attention...

if stack sizes are small then we want to be sizing our bets smaller in general. Can someone else expand on this idea?

wet boards we are generally bluffing a lot less on so when we do bet, it should be more predominately for value and less so as a bluff. if this is the case we can just size it bigger all the time because its fairly likely our opponet has some piece and will still call.
dry boards are the opposite so we make it small eg half pot sometimes less...

i gave a pretty vague responce to this one as the question was not really that detailed.. ask questions and id love to expand on some of these ideas
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Re: C-bet sizing IP and OOP

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I never thought about letting position affect my betsize. Maybe something I should consider?

What affects the betsize are the flop (ie bet more, close to the pot on wet flops and something like half pot on drier flops) and the opponent (betting obviously bigger with strong hands against droolers, it's not like they can exploit it. Bet consistently against good opponents). Cards themselves don't and should not affect the betsize, except against the worst of opponents.

Stack sizes do affect it a bit. If the opponent is short, I try to bet sizes that don't lead into awkward bet sizes on later streets, ie if the opponent has 1,2x pot left for example I'll just bet that amount instead of a 2/3 pot bet, so that you're not left with pennies on the turn and have to maybe make a stupid call with a weak hand because of the pot odds, I rather make a stupid bet/raise with a weak hand than a stupid call.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:35 AM   #5
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Re: C-bet sizing IP and OOP

I've been going 1/2 pot, OCCASIONALLY 2/3 for value.

Say OOP on a dry flop that I didnt hit. 1/2 pot big enough when I'm hoping for a fold?
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:45 AM   #6
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I've been going 1/2 pot, OCCASIONALLY 2/3 for value.

Say OOP on a dry flop that I didnt hit. 1/2 pot big enough when I'm hoping for a fold?
i think you try to generalize too much. let's say you're playing vs villain FvCbet 80% or sth, 1/2 may be enough most of the time. if you don't hit and let's say you are playing oop vs aggro who doesn't fold to any cbets, you shouldn't cbet here often. it all depends
BUT: if you don't know how to interpret stats and you wanna valuebet otr, you can't be wrong too much with sizings like 2/3-3/4
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:10 AM   #7
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i think you try to generalize too much. let's say you're playing vs villain FvCbet 80% or sth, 1/2 may be enough most of the time. if you don't hit and let's say you are playing oop vs aggro who doesn't fold to any cbets, you shouldn't cbet here often. it all depends
BUT: if you don't know how to interpret stats and you wanna valuebet otr, you can't be wrong too much with sizings like 2/3-3/4
Yeah I feel you. That's just one situation where I wasn't sure if I was doing it right.

Although I am entirely positive that I c-bet way too often. Like close to 100% lol.

I know it all depends, but in general, what does a successful player's c-bet % usually fall around?
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