I'm going to put his 4bet calling range in this situation on TT-KK, AK. By betting flop you can make AK fold (unless he decides to chase BDFD or something) so you can look at it as having 40% of his range fold. I would bet ~$1.40 with the intention of folding to a raise (unless it is a minraise). If he calls I just check back turn and fold non straight rivers.
Checking flop and calling turn should be fine too if his turn bet is reasonable.

I'd definitely like to see you barrel here, his most likely holding here is a weak overpair which you can bluff him off of OTT with continued aggression.

E/ why are we folding to a raise?

Hero bet $1.40 pot $3.75
V raises to $4

Hero has to call $2.60 to win $5.15

Being so deep I think the implied odds are definitely there especially after a flop raise, you're IP and have a massively disguised hand

You're right. Didn't consider how deep they were.

Bet

I would x. Doesn't take long to get the pot bigger if he has something and you make your hand.

You currently have no sdv, checking means you ONLY win the pot if you make your straight. By doing this your ev is only 35% of what's in the pot. That sounds pretty terrible to me.

78 is probably bottom of your range here if you're cold 4 betting pre (which I think is a great play to mix in some bluffs) you need to be betting on flops like this where you pick up equity. What are you hoping to flop? A flush? A straight a boat? What do you need to bet, is your entire 4bet range going to be for value OTF? You NEED to mix in some bluffs and 78 is a great candidate for this on a flop like this

Agree

What do people think about the PF 4Bet sizing? Seems small to me given how deep we are.

Flop - you have to bet this - we still rep AA/KK and the fact that we have so much equity if we're called means that we're likely going three barrels on most run outs.


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I like the 4b sizing tbh, I'm not a fan of a full pot 4b tbh

I think smaller 4b sizing is fine when you have a polar range. It will allow you to fire more of your bluffy preflop hands like this and get more calls with the top of your range due to pot odds.
If we arent firing this flop we shouldnt be 4b pre this is a dream OESD and BDFD. Any tuned Diamond we fire, any 5 or T we have the nuts and hope he decides to check raise.

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I did bet 1$ on the flop and villain raised to 3$...

What's the best play? gii otf or just call?

Id fold pre this deep, it would such to get 5bet, ap bet flop, bet turn and fold river unimproved. Villain can have so much more hands than just tt-aa and ak like someone pointed out. Hes raising the co which could be a semibluff and then call against guy with 200bb whos showing huge strength. His range is very wide

@ Turtol, V's range is pretty face up imho. His continuing preflop range OOP consists of 99+ and AK of which he only folds AK which is why I am an advocate for a flop x in this spot. I don't think just because we pick up additional equity otf that it necessarily means we HAVE to put more money in right now. I know myself well enough that if I continue my aggression, I am going to continue my aggression and barrel at least twice. He's not likely to fold an overpair to just one bet and ripping it in here is going to be way too high variance being this deep at only 35%.

Flops I'd prefer to bet as a semi-bluff here would be something like T64dd, or 963dd. I would comfortably bet, and put in a 3b otf and probably gii, even this deep, if raised, as was the case here. We would be ahead of virtually V's entire range except a set of 9's and FE goes way up for V's TT-QQ if we GII on one of those flops.

FWIW, I'd sometimes, but not always x TT-QQ on this flop in a 4bp IP. I'd also sometimes, but not always x 8d7d otf for pot control, IP. It honestly depends on the V and if I feel like he is going to believe me or how I've been playing post flop recently.

AP, call the flop raise. Can't fold yet.

Why are we 4betting pre? Seems like a terrible hand to do it with when you have no blockers and not great equity vs what I'd expect calling ranges to be.

It's good to mix in 4bs this deep with hands like this occasionally.

What was the turn card OP?

turn card was the 7 of hearts, villain bet 80bbs (half pot) with same amount left, I ended up folding...

But our plan is two barrel twice or three times - we're trying to get him to fold 99-QQ or if we hit gin, we win a huge pot as our hand is completely disguised.

Of course, I understand. Like I said it depends on whether V is going to believe the story. V's tend to get really sticky with overpairs though at this level and below. I guess I like barreling to target vs weaker range, not the top of it or barrel when I have more equity like a combo draw.

Not a bad selection of a 4b bluff this deep, I think we should be 4b bigger since we're deep, sb can flat a wide variety of hands like suited aces when we 4b this sizing. I think we should bet bigger for that reason. Then we gotta bet this flop, we have a bdfd and an oesd with no straight draw, absolutely gotta be betting this flop if we have this in a 4b bluff range. I'd barrel on the turn 7 also, I think we pick up equity and I don't think we have much sdv vs. 3b/call and call otf range.

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