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AQs. Flopped top pair. Villain shoved. What to do?

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07-28-2015 , 10:30 PM

blues88

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 130

Villain 26/23 after 31 hands.

How was this hand played and considering he having a flush draw, what's the mathematically best play?

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $10.15 (101.5 bb)
SB: $22.22 (222.2 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $12.78 (127.8 bb)
MP: $12.32 (123.2 bb)
CO: $10.89 (108.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 2 folds, CO raises to $2, Hero calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.15) 3

(2 players)
CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to $5, CO raises to $8.89 and is all-in, Hero ???

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07-28-2015 , 11:07 PM

tc0ates

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 375

Your flop raise was awful. At this point after you've done it, calling is the only option, can't believe you'd even consider folding...

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07-28-2015 , 11:17 PM

blues88

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Originally Posted by tc0ates

Your flop raise was awful. At this point after you've done it, calling is the only option, can't believe you'd even consider folding...

Why it was awful? What should I have done?

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07-28-2015 , 11:44 PM

markodpoker

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Why did you raise?

Was it for value, or as a bluff?

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07-28-2015 , 11:52 PM

blues88

centurion

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For value.

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07-29-2015 , 12:22 AM

markodpoker

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Well you're getting almost 7:1 on a call, if you thought you were good when you raised, it's unlikely you're bad now.

Wouldn't ever consider folding if you were raising for value.

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07-29-2015 , 12:43 AM

xXPocketDucksXx

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yeah this hand was definitely misplayed imo. calling the 4bet is fine, but once he bets flop you can't really do anything but just flat call. absolutely no value in raising, and raise/folding is even worse. call and go from there is definitely the best way forward, ainec imo.

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07-29-2015 , 01:52 AM

Brokenstars

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

Don't raise flop. 4b range from CO from a good player is going to have JJ+, AK, some bluffs

Raising is bad because it only gets better to call and worse to fold. You kind of have to call now just cuz of backdoors and outs vs. KK

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07-29-2015 , 02:54 AM

WereBeer

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Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,700

I mean...you're calling now. But think about his 4bet range and how that flop hits it.

I fold pre without more info, I'm a nit though. As played, strap in and call down I guess.

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07-29-2015 , 02:56 AM

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andymc1

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,937

Even if the great unicorn in the clouds came down and told you that villain only ever has a set of queens, kings or aces here, you still have to call it off.

The fact that you even pose the question of raise-folding here is worrysome to say the least.

You must have a good job

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07-29-2015 , 05:56 AM

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adriang

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Originally Posted by andymc1

Even if the great unicorn in the clouds came down and told you that villain only ever has a set of queens, kings or aces here, you still have to call it off.

if mr unicorn tells him villain has QQ then he's not getting the price. Against KK or AA it's a call for sure.

As was already said, just call flop, and if he bets big on turn and you don't improve then consider folding because of stack sizes. If you'd been deeper then maybe calling turn would be good and folding river unimproved to further aggression.

usually at these stakes 3barelling means 1 pair is no good.

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07-29-2015 , 06:08 AM

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xXPocketDucksXx

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Originally Posted by adriang

usually at these stakes 3barelling means 1 pair is no good.

agree with this

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07-29-2015 , 06:12 AM

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andymc1

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Originally Posted by adriang

if mr unicorn tells him villain has QQ then he's not getting the price. Against KK or AA it's a call for sure.

Correct, that's why I gave a range, not individual hands. Against a range of QQ+ it's a call.

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07-29-2015 , 06:16 AM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by adriang

usually at these stakes 3barelling means 1 pair is no good.

Not really true in a 4-bet pot. And with villain's flop size I'm guessing he's going to push the turn rather than 3-barrel.

Pretty much in this spot we're not really flatting pre to do much folding on a Qx board, but what's important to realise is that we're still effectively bluffcatching with a hand this strong. We don't beat any of villain's value 4-bet range on this board except for AK.

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07-29-2015 , 08:18 AM

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strikershank

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start at 2NL for now. unless you have a decent job to bankroll your poker losses.

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07-29-2015 , 08:27 AM

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xXPocketDucksXx

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Originally Posted by strikershank

start at 2NL for now. unless you have a decent job to bankroll your poker losses.

lol. shots fired

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07-29-2015 , 06:54 PM

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blues88

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Originally Posted by strikershank

start at 2NL for now. unless you have a decent job to bankroll your poker losses.

Thanks for the advice. Fortunately I do, so it's great to learn while playing 10NL.

Good luck

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07-29-2015 , 09:56 PM

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strikershank

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Not a shot. Sincere advice. Losses can mount quickly if one doesn't know what they're doing, even playing for dimes. Good luck to you too!

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