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Old 06-14-2012, 11:32 AM   #1
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All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

Hey guys,

I knew I was ahead Pre Flop. However, was it a good to move all in on the flop here? I thought maybe he had JJ+. Or should I have just bet 3/4 pot and waited for possible reraise here? But at that point, I figure'd the pot would be over 100bbs so I shoved.



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    Hero (CO): $5.71 (142.8 bb)
    BTN: $4.12 (103 bb)
    SB: $4.27 (106.7 bb)
    BB: $4.62 (115.5 bb)
    UTG: $9.63 (240.8 bb)
    MP: $2.08 (52 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN raises to $0.42, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.60, BTN calls $1.18

    Flop: ($3.26) T 3 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.11, BTN calls $2.52 and is all-in

    Turn: ($8.30) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($8.30) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Old 06-14-2012, 11:36 AM   #2
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

    Nice hand. He's got less than a pot bet left on the flop so just put him in.

    If people flop sets in 4-bet pots there's nothing you can do but pay them off.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #3
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

    the flop jam is not really good, bet like $1/call if off, the board is super dry, with this size they can spaz jamm with AJ or something. but fold when you overjam
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    Old 06-14-2012, 12:20 PM   #4
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

    I put him at AQo+ and JJ+ to call a 4 bet. I figured even if the TT was in his range, I'm beat to AA and TT, but crush his QQ,JJ, AK,AQ,AJ. If this hand played out 10 times, I should be ahead most of the time right?

    Or should I just let him valuetown himself after the flop and just say FML after a flopped set?
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    Old 06-14-2012, 03:39 PM   #5
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    I probably check the flop here and let him spazz with his weak hands. I think it gives maximum opportunity for him to ship air.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 05:07 PM   #6
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

    i dislike your 4bet sizing. way too big. i mean, as long as he calls it is ok, esp if he is a huge fish, but you are giving him the chance to fold a lot of hands here.

    postflop pretty easy cbet for value. the way you played it is good, as he might still call with AK, AQ here and all PPs.
    betting pretty small might induce some spazz.
    i don't think there is a huge difference between these two options tbh
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    Old 06-14-2012, 05:21 PM   #7
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

    he has less than pot
    min betting then jamming is my fav line vrs regs
    sucks when you lose tho
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    Old 06-14-2012, 05:57 PM   #8
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    the flop jam is not really good, bet like $1/call if off, the board is super dry, with this size they can spaz jamm with AJ or something. but fold when you overjam
    He flatted a 4-bet leaving less than a pot bet back.

    If you bet $1, you think anyone is going to think the extra $1.52 has fold equity? I mean, there's a small chance they might but I doubt it.

    Just jamming is good even with AK here. He either likes his hand or doesn't.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 06:06 PM   #9
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    I probably check the flop here and let him spazz with his weak hands. I think it gives maximum opportunity for him to ship air.
    With this SPR and dry board I think we pretty much have to check flop and turn with all our range.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 06:53 PM   #10
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    With this SPR and dry board I think we pretty much have to check flop and turn with all our range.
    Any chance you could elaborate on why?

    I suppose our hand is invulnerable here and we can induce bluffs but how often do we really expect most reggy looking people to even have any hands they need to bluff with?

    If you check ak otf then is it to c/c if we assume that villain has enough bluffs to make checking better when we also have kk?
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:03 PM   #11
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

    you can make 4bet smaller
    on the flop you can check here, if he has anything he gets it in also he can bluff and if he has nada he can improve on turn/or river, its not as if you need to build the pot to be able to get stacks in
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    Any chance you could elaborate on why?

    I suppose our hand is invulnerable here and we can induce bluffs but how often do we really expect most reggy looking people to even have any hands they need to bluff with?

    If you check ak otf then is it to c/c if we assume that villain has enough bluffs to make checking better when we also have kk?
    Nothing to say hes a reg here other than his 3bet sizing is standard. He flats a 4bet 100bb deep that usually isnt good so leaning towards a poor player.

    Our hand is so strong we might aswell give him the chance to bluff/catch up a bit. Vs his range we have a better chance of staking it with a check.
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    With this SPR and dry board I think we pretty much have to check flop and turn with all our range.
    I want to bet bc on T43r i dont think villain can fold any PP, Tx and even AJ+ which is pretty much his range. We are not guaranteed that he will bet PPs for protection or bluff with air. I want him to put the money in now before a scare card hits ott or otr. I think in this case his bluffing range cant be wider than his calling range tbh. they can be close at best.
    After all he just called a 40bbs 4bet.
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    With this SPR and dry board I think we pretty much have to check flop and turn with all our range.
    betting small and this are both good ideas. I like to check more if they had say 60-80bb blinds, but given how much is already in, checking heres good too imo.


    for one reason it gives them a chance to jam with there bluffs (overcards),keeps there range wide as poss too etc.
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    Re: All in on the flop KK vs TT ?

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    I want to bet bc on T43r i dont think villain can fold any PP, Tx and even AJ+ which is pretty much his range. We are not guaranteed that he will bet PPs for protection or bluff with air. I want him to put the money in now before a scare card hits ott or otr. I think in this case his bluffing range cant be wider than his calling range tbh. they can be close at best.
    After all he just called a 40bbs 4bet.
    They fold AJ and AQ here to a shove imo. Possibly AK aswell.
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