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Ak vs reg, too nitty? Ak vs reg, too nitty?

09-01-2015 , 08:02 AM
Villain plays 21/17 over 335 hands Ftcb 36 (11), IP 0 (4). Afterwards i felt nitty. He could be doing this with semi-bluff KQs, KJs. The rest of his range is probably sets (he could be calling me 22-66, allthough i slightly doubt 22 since i made it 5x) and some air which he floats me with. Should have called it for another street at least?



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37091109

    Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
    BB: $9.95 (99.5 bb)
    UTG: $12.44 (124.4 bb)
    MP: $4.24 (42.4 bb)
    CO: $13.14 (131.4 bb)
    BTN: $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
    2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.40, CO folds

    Flop: ($1.10) 2 A 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.60, BB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.70

    Turn: ($3.70) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $2.55, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.70 pot ($0.17 rake)
    Final Board: 2 A 6 3
    Hero mucked A K and lost (-$1.80 net)
    BB mucked and won $3.53 ($1.73 net)



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    Ak vs reg, too nitty? Quote
    09-01-2015 , 09:54 AM
    Not folding that turn card. Semi-bluffs are possible but so is AQ
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    09-01-2015 , 10:31 AM
    x/c turn, evaluate river. You are correct in being suspicious though.
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    09-01-2015 , 10:32 AM
    Would you shove or call this, i think calling and evaluate is difficult too, if you dont know how often he bluffs river.
    In fact playing this line with 22,66 would be awful from him, he should just call to the river.
    Do he plays this with like AQ ?
    Im not sure, he fires big on turn, but he could think you fold like AJ here.
    I think AK is just to strong here, you have pot to stack ratio of 10 and i think shoving would be o.k., but calling could be too, but is he bluffing river ?
    If not you only loose if he hits, so shoving would be a nice line after calling flop, but not sure.
    Do you have FResteal Stats ?
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    09-01-2015 , 10:40 AM
    Quote:
    Would you shove or call this, i think calling and evaluate is difficult too, if you dont know how often he bluffs river.
    Shuving flop is bad. Everything you beat will fold. Don't be afraid to play the river, it's a street like any other.
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    In fact playing this line with 22,66 would be awful from him, he should just call to the river.
    I don't feel raising with a set here is bad + he would be perfectly justified in calling with 22 or 66, he is IP and there's a passive fish in the CO that can juice up the pot if he hits.
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    09-01-2015 , 10:42 AM
    If you're calling Flop, folding on a turn card that's essentially a brick is silly. It does complete a straight, but if Vill is a reg he's almost never defending 45 from the BB.
    Also, Vill can be doing this with with weaker Ax and FD's.
    only hands that Vill has that beat you are 22(3), 66(3), A6(6), A2(6)
    Question to other readers is;
    If the river is a non heart do we x/c ?
    If river is a heart, do we x/f ?
    Tyty
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    09-01-2015 , 10:57 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by philkill
    Would you shove or call this, i think calling and evaluate is difficult too, if you dont know how often he bluffs river.
    In fact playing this line with 22,66 would be awful from him, he should just call to the river.
    Do he plays this with like AQ ?
    Im not sure, he fires big on turn, but he could think you fold like AJ here.
    I think AK is just to strong here, you have pot to stack ratio of 10 and i think shoving would be o.k., but calling could be too, but is he bluffing river ?
    If not you only loose if he hits, so shoving would be a nice line after calling flop, but not sure.
    Do you have FResteal Stats ?
    Shoving against a reg is bad. He's going to snap call when we're crushed and fold all his bluffs. Playing a set like this from villians's perspective is not great but not awful. Check calling all way down to river with a set is awful though. I'd expect a line more of check call flop c/r river to set up a river shove with a set from villian but certainly believable . I'd expect a reg villian to 3bet AQ preflop v SB for pure value especially with a limper also In the pot not wanting to play AQ OOP multiway. So I think villians's range is weighted heavily towards semi bluffs and some value hands like a6 , 22, 66. If villians's AF stat is quite high I'm leaning towards peeling and reevaluating river but I expect to see a river shove at quite a high frequency
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    09-01-2015 , 11:07 AM
    Sorry i totally misreaded the hand of course.
    I thought he minraised,hero 3-bettet and he called, but BB called an isoraise.
    Total different story.
    Dont mind folding here the turn, because he will often cb with his draws on turn and just took initiative,of course sometimes he barrels with draw the turn, but not allways, so his range should be stronger then, i dont do such smallish raises, but could be good, so i dont think its good to call to a minraise and a big turnbet,just to fold river or to broke with TPTK, no need.

    And of course 5d4d with 12 outs make sence and comes on turn, so he bets big, also it looks valueheavy.

    After all i think calling to raises and calling turns on nl5 and nl10 is not necessary and i think it costed me money, because blufffrequenzies was just bit to low on nl10 to do this kind of play.

    And if calling turn, i think the bluffs go down very much, i sometimes bluffed 2 streets but rarely 3 streets with draws and i think other regs at theese limits wont too, just because what you achieve against TPTK downcallers, just not enouph bluffs at least at river.

    Last edited by philkill; 09-01-2015 at 11:18 AM.
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    09-01-2015 , 11:28 AM
    Call turn, snap river bricks. Jamming is ok if you want to commit earlier. Cold calling 66/22 is ******ed - I think he's just getting excited with nut FD or splashing w/ AQ/AK. We intended to b/b/j on good run outs so just let him do the betting. If you're folding here it seems you're only continuing with sets which is ridiculous on this board for a 3b pot @ 100bb.

    Last edited by Kiwi_Shredder; 09-01-2015 at 11:35 AM.
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    09-01-2015 , 11:37 AM
    and losing the pot 85% of the time, its nl10, no need to give them to much 3-way bluffs, it just sucks to call down here, esp this minraises and big bets on turn on a normal nl10 table, no need to broke with TPTK, just filter for spots like this and call river, this is super -EV.
    Why he shouldnt call with 22,66 he could hope to stack someone, even i hate 22 and 33 in theese spots, to many Set over Set ****.
    But dont give the players credit to bluff 3 streets often, just dont do it.
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    09-01-2015 , 11:42 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by philkill
    and losing the pot 85% of the time, its nl10, no need to give them to much 3-way bluffs, it just sucks to call down here, esp this minraises and big bets on turn on a normal nl10 table, no need to broke with TPTK, just filter for spots like this and call river, this is super -EV.
    Why he shouldnt call with 22,66 he could hope to stack someone, even i hate 22 and 33 in theese spots, to many Set over Set ****.
    But dont give the players credit to bluff 3 streets often, just dont do it.
    Opps, I thought it was a 3b pot. I would still opt to evaluate otr.
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    09-01-2015 , 12:19 PM
    Don't fold. Anyone raising this flop especially with that cute little click back is slapping the keyboard with their weiner.
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    09-01-2015 , 12:57 PM
    Good to hear other opinions, i didnt play this much hands to really know,i still dont really know what this minraises are in proportion absolut monster to draws or spew,often sets and draws, should give an anylse tool to know it.
    But you have to consider that he dont bluff any turn, river, so his range goes up in value to the river, this is for sure.
    Do you also call the river on a brick ?, i mean also weired people calm down at river with not so much left.

    Dont know, how many clickback here with AQ,AK and fire, if they allways fire this hands are big part of their range.
    Could be also a idiot inforaise on flop, but really dont know what theese minraises are, did someone filter this stuff ?

    Last edited by philkill; 09-01-2015 at 01:06 PM.
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