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Old 06-26-2012, 12:06 AM   #1
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AK utg vs squeeze

hey just curious to peoples thoughts on how to play AK here. My standard vs a 3bet is usually just call in ep/mp, the squeeze looks really strong even though villian/bb is 3betting lightly alot of the time(15% 3bet over 50 hands so far)and my mind was between all 3 ways of playing it, i timed out almost so i just called, though im not really sure given the 3bet sizing i figure this isnt to bad vs 1 aggro opponent to flat here, as well as the next player to act who is probably putting his 1.50 is playing 80/0

[converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13339262

CO: $1.58 (15.8 bb)
BTN: $6.90 (69 bb)
SB: $6.37 (63.7 bb)
BB: $11.03 (110.3 bb)
Hero (UTG): $19.07 (190.7 bb)
MP: $9.87 (98.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $0.30, MP folds, CO calls $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.50
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:19 AM   #2
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Re: AK utg vs squeeze

your play depends on villains who flatted behind, your image and villain. if they are fishy then 4b/get it in imo. if BB is a good reg and players behind are fishy, BB can squeeze like ATC knowing everyone is folding a high % of the time. and while you fold almost your whole range(depending on your utg range ofc, and how solid you play according to villain), it can leave BB HU vs a fish in a profitable situation.

but villain is oop so i would weigh his range to value, weighing our decision towards folding as a default.

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Old 06-26-2012, 10:28 AM   #3
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Re: AK utg vs squeeze

I struggle with situations like this, and would just bite my lip and fold preflop.

If, however, I was in the CO or BTN then I'm more likely to shove preflop over his 3bet, as our perceived range is wider and he's more likely to be squeezing light.

His squeeze size here makes 4betting very awkward (you'll be priced into reluctantly calling a shove), and I'm much more comfortable maximising our fold equity by shoving - and it lets us see all 5 cards if called.

Calling IMO puts us in a tricky situation, and when we miss 2/3 of flops it's kinda hard to see it being +EV.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:08 PM   #4
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Re: AK utg vs squeeze

I would be 4b/cing if BB is a good reg.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:30 PM   #5
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I would be 4b/cing if BB is a good reg.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:42 PM   #6
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I don't think he is doing it light given how many people in pot.

His 3bet size is actually very small he makes it $1.5 into 0.90c that is already there and only needs it to work around 40%.

Given that 80/0 player going to most likely call if you call I might end up calling here, because you need to put $1.20 more into pot that will be most likely $3.60.

So you will be getting 1/3 pot odds, and you are going to hit top pair about 1/3 of the time.

And I would not be 4betting here, imho it gives him opportunity to play his hand perfectly, him 3betting light doesn't mean he is going to call 4bets light or even shove light. If he calls he continues with his hand after 4 bet, he most likely will do it with range that crushes you.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:49 PM   #7
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I struggle with situations like this, and would just bite my lip and fold preflop.

If, however, I was in the CO or BTN then I'm more likely to shove preflop over his 3bet, as our perceived range is wider and he's more likely to be squeezing light.

His squeeze size here makes 4betting very awkward (you'll be priced into reluctantly calling a shove), and I'm much more comfortable maximising our fold equity by shoving - and it lets us see all 5 cards if called.

Calling IMO puts us in a tricky situation, and when we miss 2/3 of flops it's kinda hard to see it being +EV.
Interesting, I am more likely to push in EP to avoid playing it OOP and flat on the button.

In this particular case, I put in a decent size 4 bet and go from there. Something that would entice him to push AA or KK and Flat with a worse hand.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:51 PM   #8
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I don't think he is doing it light given how many people in pot.

His 3bet size is actually very small he makes it $1.5 into 0.90c that is already there and only needs it to work around 40%.

Given that 80/0 player going to most likely call if you call I might end up calling here, because you need to put $1.20 more into pot that will be most likely $3.60.

So you will be getting 1/3 pot odds, and you are going to hit top pair about 1/3 of the time.

And I would not be 4betting here, imho it gives him opportunity to play his hand perfectly, him 3betting light doesn't mean he is going to call 4bets light or even shove light. If he calls he continues with his hand after 4 bet, he most likely will do it with range that crushes you.
I think its possible he's trying to push everyone out knowing the 80/0 player is likely going to call.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:11 PM   #9
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I think its possible he's trying to push everyone out knowing the 80/0 player is likely going to call.
That actually might be a case, somebody like villain with 15% 3bets will be happy to squeeze. So I might be wrong saying he doesn't do it light.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:24 PM   #10
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15% of 3bets in 50 hands or 50 opportunities to 3bet? If it's in a total of 50 hands, then we know nothing about him, so I'd call in position and go from there.
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I don't think he is doing it light given how many people in pot.

His 3bet size is actually very small he makes it $1.5 into 0.90c that is already there and only needs it to work around 40%.

Given that 80/0 player going to most likely call if you call I might end up calling here, because you need to put $1.20 more into pot that will be most likely $3.60.

So you will be getting 1/3 pot odds, and you are going to hit top pair about 1/3 of the time.

And I would not be 4betting here, imho it gives him opportunity to play his hand perfectly, him 3betting light doesn't mean he is going to call 4bets light or even shove light. If he calls he continues with his hand after 4 bet, he most likely will do it with range that crushes you.
You have a drawing hand and good pot / implide odds for calling here. CO SB probly flatting too. play it simple, no need to 4 bet imo.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:13 AM   #12
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but you realize that if he 5bet shoves hes going to be ahead of AK the vast majority of the time right? Doubt a good reg ever 5bet shoves at this limit with AQ vs my utg 4bet range.
Hes a aggro fish for sure though, i just hadnt been involved in any pots with him besides 1 bvb hand so i didnt know.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:26 AM   #13
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but you realize that if he 5bet shoves hes going to be ahead of AK the vast majority of the time right? Doubt a good reg ever 5bet shoves at this limit with AQ vs my utg 4bet range.
Hes a aggro fish for sure though, i just hadnt been involved in any pots with him besides 1 bvb hand so i didnt know.
He should be squeezing wide, its a good spot for us to 4bet bluff so we should be 4betting ak here. Most regs will jam jj+,ak which is fine for us.
If we flat we end up with some retarded spr especially if the other 2 call.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:48 PM   #14
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but you realize that if he 5bet shoves hes going to be ahead of AK the vast majority of the time right? Doubt a good reg ever 5bet shoves at this limit with AQ vs my utg 4bet range.
Hes a aggro fish for sure though, i just hadnt been involved in any pots with him besides 1 bvb hand so i didnt know.
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He should be squeezing wide, its a good spot for us to 4bet bluff so we should be 4betting ak here. Most regs will jam jj+,ak which is fine for us.
If we flat we end up with some retarded spr especially if the other 2 call.
How is it fine for us to get AK in vs AK JJ+? we lose money in this situation. With rake if im up against AK then we split and i make about 35cents with all the dead money out there as well as if shortstack fish calls(he will 100%).
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:07 PM   #15
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Re: AK utg vs squeeze

I'd probably 4bet/call. When he gets it in you might well be behind quite a lot of the time but he'll be folding a fair amount of the time to the 4bet so in the long run 4bet/calling will be profitable here (as long as we can assume villain has the ability to squeeze here and this is not value 100% of the time).
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