Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $43.00
CO: $27.40
BTN: $24.55
Hero (SB): $25.00
BB: $24.65
UTG: $21.60

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K K
UTG raises to $0.75, MP raises to $1.25, CO calls $1.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.25) 8 A 7 (2 players)
Hero ?

Villan is new to the table but playing loose and semi agro seems like a bad player. Villan INSTA 3 bets pre and then INSTA calls our 4 bet.

Flop plan?

a) c/f
b) c/c
c) cbet/ shut down if called, fold to a raise
d) ?

c is my standard play here but im curious how others play this
I give villan a range of AQs+ and JJ?+ (opinions welcome)


do you play this any different agianst say standard reg thats say 20/13/2?

****ty flop but I think you have to cbet it. After insta 3betting and insta 4 betcalling here, I could foresee an insta fold to something like a $9 cbet here. You can't check call unless you're willing to take it to the felt on the turn. Check folding is real weak here and imo not a good play. It sucks but yeah, Id say standard cbet and fold to his push though often when I find players doing this rapid fire stuff preflop they don't have much.

Since he instacalled I put him on TT-QQ, maybe AK.
c) is standard for me. I will often see the river if I feel he would raise most aces on the flop but he just calls instead. If we check the turn he'll often start vbetting JJ+ and we can c/c from these on profitably imo. You'll feel silly to see Ax after two calls though.

c-bet but with pot control/blocking bet

c-bet $6, obv fold to a push/RR

2nd barrel an A, K turn or diamond

I think we're way behind here. He three bets preflop with two raisers and a caller to act behind him, just screams bullets to me. That said, I go with option c as well, but probably not for $9, if hes gonna fold to $9, I bet he folds to $5 and if he's gonna re-raise he'll reraise either.

lol, MTC, you could have just quoted me for your first post here

also, Welcome

Sorry, I was typing as you were posting, didn't see your post till I posted.

Thanks for the welcome.

c). I think bet/folding some amount around 6-9 is standard.

his range is definitely wider than AA but other than that i agree with you and pizzapizza

Pot-sized 4-bet preflop is ~$6. With that raise then you'll have about a pot-sized bet left and will be able go all-in on any flop. Then the best way to get value from a range of JJ+, AQ+ is to c/rAI I think.

As played you didn't build a big enough pot pre-flop and should probably b/f.

The ace definitely sucks, but I would still bet here- probably around $7.50. Your re-raise could always represent AKs, so if your villain has a weaker ace, he may fold to that bet, but if you get action, you can always leave. It is worth trying to take the pot down right here, even with the ace showing.

As played, I would normally go with C, like most everybody else who posted.

However, I think the main issue here is preflop. With that much action, being out of position for the rest of the hand, and having read the CO for being a loose, bad player, you should have built a bigger pot imo. With a raise, re-raise to 1.25 and then a call (all by players who will position on us for the rest of the hand), I would opt for making a larger raise here. We should be happy to take this hand down preflop, and making a raise to $6+ makes sense. There is also a case for pushing all-in, as you'll see (and get called by) JJ, QQ, AQ, AK and some worse.

Make the same bet you would make if you had AK here. I'd probably be betting 7ish

If we go with OP's range of {JJ+, AQ+}, I think we may well be behind that range now...all those A combos have us beat, while we are only ahead of the 12 JJ/QQ combos. I think even widening the range to include TT leaves us in poor shape. Maybe adding a weird KQ or SC might change it a bit.

While a cbet often gets called by the JJ/QQ, that leaves us open to being absolutely clueless on the turn...Keep betting into him? Or check and have to call/fold? Or check praying for a check behind? Or crai a diamond? All those options sound unpleasant.

Unfortunately c/c kinda leaves us in the same position, but I don't think it's awful, as he'll stab without the A a lot and I find it unlikely he'll db his JJ/QQ too often when we call.

That leaves c/f lol. Being a life nit, I really don't mind folding to a chunky bet here. Getting bluffed off my hand here by JJ/QQ once in a blue moon isn't the end of the world considering:

> The A won't always flop
> When it flops rags we stack villain often
> He won't always bet without the A
> We have made money preflop already
> Meh, sometimes good hands turn to mush

Overall, I go c/f>c/c>>>>>>>b/f>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>b/c

Bit drunk, so hope I still agree with myself in the morning.

I don't totally disagree with you about preflop but im not sure if is the most ev line to take? and taking the line that makes it easy to play post flop but might always the best way to go...

I mean rasing to 6 preflop only makes about a ~4 diff in pot size so Im not sure how much diff that makes in how I play the hand postflop. as played I can barely bet fold the flop and even then its thin.

and its not like im trying to shut the guy out of the hand I have a huge equity edge agianst villans assumed range (bad player) so im not looking to take this down preflop a push seems stupid the guys 3 bet was only a min raise.