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06-21-2017 , 02:43 PM

cantor1987

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can i shove this river after flop and turn play from villian? Or is getting to show down fine?

Villain is a 17/13 11% 3bet 9af over 80 hands

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Hero (BTN): $2.76
SB: $2.04
BB: $1.99
UTG: $2.04
MP: $3.65
CO: $2.82

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A

1 fold, MP raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, MP calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.39) 8

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.24, MP raises to $0.48, Hero calls $0.24

Turn: ($1.35) J

(2 players)
MP bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90

River: ($3.15) 8

(2 players)
MP bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

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06-21-2017 , 02:47 PM

Rikk

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Population does this as a blocker to a raise way more often than to induce a shove imo. EDIT: and they also call the raise with the stuff they were scared to bet too.

I'm definitely shoving for value.

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06-21-2017 , 05:50 PM

K40cheddar

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Shove. 8 helps your hand dramatically and destroys kj

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06-21-2017 , 06:08 PM

jaypatel33

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You should view his moment more like a check, would you bet if he checks? I think I would. But still don't blame you for just calling. He has very nitty stats, so we should be alarmed by his flop ch/r.

Strange one, because he looks like a reg, but a reg doesn't really do this.

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06-21-2017 , 06:30 PM

mchares

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Originally Posted by K40cheddar

Shove. 8 helps your hand dramatically and destroys kj

is KJ raising this flop? really?

8 helps us in the way that reduces 2 set combos from flop, which is very good

AP I do raise otr 1/2 - 2/3 pot size

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06-21-2017 , 06:52 PM

FreakDaddy

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9 AF... I think you should be 3-betting that flop. I don't mind that call, but then shove the turn or shove the river. Missed value here for sure.

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06-21-2017 , 06:56 PM

tjpoker

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Originally Posted by mchares

AP I do raise otr 1/2 - 2/3 pot size

I'd like to see you try!

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06-21-2017 , 06:58 PM

cantor1987

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy

9 AF... I think you should be 3-betting that flop. I don't mind that call, but then shove the turn or shove the river. Missed value here for sure.

If villains overly aggro is it not best to call flop and keep his range wide with all random spews and bluffs and overplays he can have?

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06-21-2017 , 06:59 PM

mchares

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9 AF... I think you should be 3-betting that flop. I don't mind that call, but then shove the turn or shove the river. Missed value here for sure.

^ Yes, this is true, this is a 3B pot, 33/88 is not into his 3B calling range, but K is not going away otf when we 3B plus we charge all FDs

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06-21-2017 , 07:02 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by cantor1987

If villains overly aggro is it not best to call flop and keep his range wide with all random spews and bluffs and overplays he can have?

This is true. But a 9af means nothing. It especially means nothing over 80 hands and even more especially against this guy. He plays 17% of hands, of course he's going to be betting/raising more than calling. His range in MP to open and call a 3-bet is probably like 4% of hands.

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06-21-2017 , 07:45 PM

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K40cheddar

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Originally Posted by mchares

is KJ raising this flop? really?

It's NL 2 people have all sorts of crap. Fact is 8 on the river is a great card.

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06-22-2017 , 01:28 AM

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FreakDaddy

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Originally Posted by cantor1987

If villains overly aggro is it not best to call flop and keep his range wide with all random spews and bluffs and overplays he can have?

In some spots, yes. Here though once you call a min raise, people don't tend to bluff more. You're just looking to get more value from his range. People who are too aggressive will generally continue too wide as well because they anticipate people over adjusting. It's 2nl, so there's not a whole lot that will apply beyond the fact you're ahead, and if you're not ahead there's not much he will continue with any ways. Just get the money in.

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06-22-2017 , 07:44 AM

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alphachaser

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Anybody have thoughts on a 4b flop shove? He could be on a FD and it'd be tough for a pair of K to fold.

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06-22-2017 , 10:03 AM

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smetiardopici

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for 100BB i'm stacking off on the flop, a big deeper I prefer b/call on flop. We can still get more value on river by raising.

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