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[5NLz] QQ PF spot BTN vs SB vs BB [5NLz] QQ PF spot BTN vs SB vs BB

06-22-2017 , 05:18 AM
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $5.00
Hero (SB): $11.64
BB: $9.28
UTG: $5.52
MP: $4.38
CO: $5.20

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q Q
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.55, BB calls $0.50, BTN raises to $1.73, Hero raises to $11.64 all in

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No HUD this time unfortunately.

Feel like we're ahead of BB almost always as their flatting range to me seems to be mid-PPs (88-JJ) that they can't bring themselves to fold but don't have the cajones to 4bet.

When BTN 4bet squeezes (as an aside, what do we think of BTN's sizing? Not sure what correct sqz size would be here in V's shoes) I feel like we can't flat being OOP to 2 but the size puts me off of jamming but not sure what else we can do.

BB's stack size played a part for me because I thought that if they called with their JJ/AK and maybe TT we had a good chance at recouping some losses by taking the side pot.

Do we have any FE at all here or are we just taking our 40%?
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06-22-2017 , 06:03 AM
standard. WP.

Personally I go $0.5 pre, and use this sizing w/ slightly deeper effective stacks, but meh that's just preference, probs doesn't effect BTN's continuing range too much.
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06-22-2017 , 06:11 AM
BTN's 4bet sizing seems correct to me. Assuming you call, effective stacks will be just under a PSB.

I think BTN's 4betting range could realistically be the same as his stacking off range. You have a ton of fold equity vs BB, but possibly none vs BTN.

I don't hate jamming since it's really difficult to get value from AK postflop, and we prevent villain from realizing equity for free when it misses. I could probably go either way here.
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06-22-2017 , 06:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitemares
BTN's 4bet sizing seems correct to me. Assuming you call, effective stacks will be just under a PSB.

I think BTN's 4betting range could realistically be the same as his stacking off range. You have a ton of fold equity vs BB, but possibly none vs BTN.

I don't hate jamming since it's really difficult to get value from AK postflop, and we prevent villain from realizing equity for free when it misses. I could probably go either way here.
Don't you think BTN's 4b sizing is on the larger size? Actually seems like a mistake IMO to make it that large IP vs a wide 3-betting range.

I'm not a fan of taking a flop OOP w/ such a small SPR vs such a large 4b, and a somewhat vulnerable hand (to over-cards).
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06-22-2017 , 06:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish-And-Chips
Don't you think BTN's 4b sizing is on the larger size? Actually seems like a mistake IMO to make it that large IP vs a wide 3-betting range.
I would if BB hadn't cold called. 2.2x would be standard facing one villain, I think that plus approximately the size of BB's bet would be reasonable.

Would you still opt for a similar sizing despite BB's presence?
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06-22-2017 , 06:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitemares
I would if BB hadn't cold called. 2.2x would be standard facing one villain, I think that plus approximately the size of BB's bet would be reasonable.

Would you still opt for a similar sizing despite BB's presence?
lmao didn't even spot BB's cold call, cheers for bringing that to my attention. Still advocate the 5b AI, but obviously now BTN's sizing's seems a lot more standard. I practice pretty small 3 and 4 bet's in general (ofc size dependent on V, positions, action etc. as normal). Due to influences mentioned earlier (wider ranges due to positions etc.) - I still feel BTN could be going slightly smaller, but now I certainly don't have a problem w/ BTN's sizing like I did if he were making it this size without the BB's cold call lol.
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06-22-2017 , 09:42 AM
wp

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06-22-2017 , 11:17 AM
No you do not have any FE here. Yes I'm gii. No other option vs 100bbs stack.
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06-22-2017 , 11:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alci
No you do not have any FE here. Yes I'm gii. No other option vs 100bbs stack.
Tbh I thought so too:

Spoiler:
Hero raises to $11.64 all in, 2 folds

Final Pot: $4.01
Hero mucks Q Q
Hero wins $4.01
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06-22-2017 , 03:45 PM
Cooler if he has aa/kk
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06-23-2017 , 07:56 PM
Unless they're stack is in the middle you always have fold equity. It's a very good spot for Btn to put in the 4bet bluff as'well with the extra dead money in the pot from the BB cold calling.
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06-23-2017 , 08:08 PM
In general, I need a very good reason to justify calling a 4bet OOP. Easy jam for me. 5bet AI will definately be +EV. Even if we have little FE, there is so much dead money in the pot it is still +EV. Now calling a 4bet OOP w/ QQ, well that could lead to some nasty spots/-EV decisions
(Any Ax flop, Kx flop, which I think happens about 30% of the time if I remember correctly)
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