5NL Zoom KJo - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $4.70 (94 bb)
BB: $6.35 (127 bb)
UTG: $6.31 (126.2 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5.97 (119.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $9.45 (189 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, SB raises to $0.45, BB folds, Hero calls $0.35

Flop: ($0.95) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.46, SB calls $0.46

Turn: ($1.87) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.91, SB calls $0.91

River: ($3.69) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, [color="red"]Hero ?

Would you shove vs. both - reg and a fish-reg?

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10-12-2015 , 11:12 AM

btthywrsooted

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Dont min raise pre (def not from BTN), fold pre to 3bet.

As played, shoving river for < pot is OK v most players, not v extreme nits.

Last edited by btthywrsooted; 10-12-2015 at 11:20 AM.

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10-12-2015 , 11:19 AM

ChalkOutline

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

Dont min raise pre (def not from BTN), fold pre to 3bet.

You seem to know better.

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10-12-2015 , 11:20 AM

btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by ChalkOutline

You seem to know better.

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10-12-2015 , 11:56 AM

Jurgenstars

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Vs fish check
Vs reg pot or 3/4 pot

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10-12-2015 , 02:17 PM

WoodenChips

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Dont think shoving river is good. He's never calling with worse, after you call/call/shove I doubt he's calling w/ Qx, and he doesn't have any Kx that you beat.
Just check back.

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10-12-2015 , 02:22 PM

ChalkOutline

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^ he doesn`t have any Kx almost like ever. And all the draws missed, he can probably hero call w A high, lol

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10-12-2015 , 02:30 PM

neok

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Jammerino

Think you can get herocalled by Qx a decent amount, he still has worse Kx and even if he has some slowplays in his range I think you can easily get to 50% vs his calling range

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10-12-2015 , 02:35 PM

R00Tee

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River is a check back for me. I expect to have the best hand ~90% of the time but i just dont see him calling with worse.

And min raising from btn pre is fine for the record.

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10-12-2015 , 02:43 PM

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ImDoNuts

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Originally Posted by Jurgenstars

Vs fish check
Vs reg pot or 3/4 pot

Dafuq?

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10-12-2015 , 02:46 PM

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Nirwanda

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Jürgen Klopp..?

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10-12-2015 , 02:46 PM

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ImDoNuts

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Originally Posted by R00Tee

River is a check back for me. I expect to have the best hand ~90% of the time but i just dont see him calling with worse.

And min raising from btn pre is fine for the record.

That is what u think, whenever u are 90% sure that ur hand is better than your only opponent you should be forced to valuebet... Villain could call with worse kings, queens or even some kind of bluffcatcher like AJ or even AT which is pretty wide to be betting here

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10-12-2015 , 02:47 PM

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ChalkOutline

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Originally Posted by neok

Jammerino

Think you can get herocalled by Qx a decent amount, he still has worse Kx and even if he has some slowplays in his range I think you can easily get to 50% vs his calling range

Id personallu have K4\K5\K7\K8 suited here in his shoes. That`d be a x\f ott or x\f otr?

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10-12-2015 , 03:27 PM

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neok

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Don't think you should really have K4-K7 pre unless it's a very specific exploit. You can 3b 20% here SBvsBTN and and still have K8s as your lowest king.

I'd never c/f turn if I had one of those though and river is really reg dependant.

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10-12-2015 , 04:12 PM

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ChalkOutline

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Originally Posted by neok

Don't think you should really have K4-K7 pre unless it's a very specific exploit. You can 3b 20% here SBvsBTN and and still have K8s as your lowest king.

Something seems to be wrong here,

TT+, 55-33, ATs+, A7s-A4s, KJs+, K8s-K4s, Q9s-Q8s, J9s-J8s, T8s, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, ATo+, KJo+

And these are only close to 18%. How can you 3b 20% w\o having K4-K7s?

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10-13-2015 , 03:48 AM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by ChalkOutline

lol, what kind of ranging is this?

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10-13-2015 , 03:56 AM

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Rebuild

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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted

Dont min raise pre (def not from BTN), fold pre to 3bet.

Whats wrong with minraising buttons? I think its awesome, I do nothing else. I would fold KJo to this kind of 3bet tho.

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10-13-2015 , 04:07 AM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by Rebuild

Whats wrong with minraising buttons? I think its awesome, I do nothing else.

The only reason I can think of that makes this awesome is the fact that people check the autofold in the blinds in ZOOM. Maybe this actually happens a lot at 5NL, I don't know?

In general minraising just gives the blinds a great price to call (much wider) which will make postflop play more awkward (it wil be tougher to narrow down ranges).

That being said I think the real preflop mistake OP made is calling the 3bet with KJo. The pairs we hit post are likely dominated when we face heat.....

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10-13-2015 , 04:09 AM

#19

grinder4all

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I probably check turn and bet river, but that's not so important.

Important thing is this is a 2 street hand. If 3 bets go in you're probably not going to have a great time at showdown.

Think villain could easily have AA or AK here, FWIW. A lot of Qx folds turn. Doubt the average reg 3bets K7s to begin with, probably no more than K9s.

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10-13-2015 , 05:25 AM

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mahsjdi

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since he is fish I'm gona go ahead and bet bigger on flop and turn and I'm jamming river for reasons already stated. imo pre is fine

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10-13-2015 , 05:29 AM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi

since he is fish

Who said it was a fish?

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10-13-2015 , 05:30 AM

#22

thriftybunny

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bet river 55-60% potsize
He have AQ

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10-13-2015 , 05:31 AM

#23

mahsjdi

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His stack size indicates fish.

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10-13-2015 , 05:35 AM

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btthywrsooted

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi

His stack size indicates fish.

Lol! He has 94BB.... maybe he just didn't check the auto rebuy....

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10-13-2015 , 09:21 AM

#25

mahsjdi

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Less than 100BB indicates fish........ I very rarely see regs below 100BB
it's pretty common knowledge that less than 100BB stack is a fish and you shouldn't be making the assumption that "he just didn't check the auto rebuy" a very large % of people below 100BB are fish you do get that occasional reg that plays short stack strategy.

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