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5nl facing half pot bet on river with trips, raise or shove? 5nl facing half pot bet on river with trips, raise or shove?

12-01-2016 , 04:33 PM
No reads on villain as we are playing zoom


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37532437

    Hero (BTN): $5.91 (118.2 bb)
    SB: $15.40 (308 bb)
    BB: $11.49 (229.8 bb)
    UTG: $5.63 (112.6 bb)
    MP: $3.90 (78 bb)
    CO: $14.12 (282.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 8
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.10, CO folds, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.27) 9 4 5 (2 players)
    MP bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, MP calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.27) 6 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.27) 6 (2 players)
    MP bets $0.60, Hero raises to $5.31, MP calls $2.70




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    I think maybe 3 betting this hand is better on button but i decided to flat. On flop i felt we could take it down enough on the flop with a raise but also i do call in these spots as well. Once he calls flop i feel he has has a 9 with a strong kicker and overpairs, maybe a set.
    We pick up a a pair so no need for us to barrell in position so i decide to check back. Facing this half pot bet on the river are we always jamming here for value or should we just call?
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    12-01-2016 , 04:37 PM
    I like the flop raise, GS and BD flush, you don't rep many 6's on the river and shouldn't have a set after checking turn so he can call some overpairs
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    12-01-2016 , 04:38 PM
    raise or call i mean
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    12-01-2016 , 04:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SH1591
    I like the flop raise, GS and BD flush, you don't rep many 6's on the river and shouldn't have a set after checking turn so he can call some overpairs
    Yh i felt with his bet sizing on river that he was value betting an overpair. Also my shove also looks bluffy so felt like i would get looked up here often
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    12-01-2016 , 08:23 PM
    Dont call this pre against short stack imo
    AP-Flop raise is ok you are folding a ton of Ax
    "Once he calls flop i feel he has has a 9 with a strong kicker and overpairs, maybe a set.
    We pick up a a pair so no need for us to barrell in position so i decide to check back"-Would you barrel if you didnt hit a 6?If you would then 6 is even better hand to barrel then most of others,you pick up extra equity and you dont have SDV because his range is A9+
    River is fine imo
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    12-01-2016 , 11:31 PM
    I wouldn't mind the flop if villain weren't a likely fish. As played the rest is good.
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    12-02-2016 , 01:03 AM
    Preflop is a mistake especially when villain is on 80bb. This is only ok if you have big passive fish in the blinds who will only 3bet premium hands. Readless against an 80bb stack who is likely a fish I'm only 3bet bluffing my best bluffs like A5s-A3s and value 3betting something like AA-JJ AK.

    On the flop I don't like the reraise just because we shouldn't be reraising our big hands like sets here. It's such a dry board that we might as well let villain hang himself with his bluffs. We should probably be calling our entire range that wants to continue here, and this is one of our best hands to do it with.
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    12-02-2016 , 11:56 AM
    Why wouldn't you raise a set vs a shortstack/fish?
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    12-02-2016 , 12:42 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
    Why wouldn't you raise a set vs a shortstack/fish?
    Why should we raise? H has no really good draw the more V has nothing to outdraw set. H in position is not affraid to lose a street value.
    Only wonder why V paid on the runouts, 6x is face up.
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    12-02-2016 , 12:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shamway99
    Why should we raise?

    Only wonder why V paid on the runouts, 6x is face up.
    V obviously isn't concerned about board texture or H's hand. If I have a set in position vs this particular opponent, I'm raising for value 100% of the time to get the rest of his stack. He's not likely to put in the rest by himself.

    I'd also do it against a thinking player because who raises a set on this dry a$$ flop? It would look like I'm stealing with a hand like 67 or A3.
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    12-02-2016 , 01:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Waaario69
    Preflop is a mistake especially when villain is on 80bb. This is only ok if you have big passive fish in the blinds who will only 3bet premium hands.
    Facing a minraise on the btn against a fish (who is short but not very short) this isn't the same as flatting a good reg's open. Obviously more ideal if villain is deeper but we want to be playing as many (playable) hands in position against the fish as possible, espsecially for that price.

    edit: this is 5nl, and zoom, doubtful you're going to be facing a squeeze from the blinds without them having a strong holding.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Waaario69
    Readless against an 80bb stack who is likely a fish I'm only 3bet bluffing my best bluffs like A5s-A3s and value 3betting something like AA-JJ AK.
    +1
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    12-02-2016 , 02:14 PM
    Disagree with 3betting only premiums and would 3bet TT,AQ,AJ, QK also.
    Pre and flop seems contradictory - if we have fold equity then 3bet is superior, but we don't have much so it's a fold for me.
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    12-02-2016 , 08:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
    Why wouldn't you raise a set vs a shortstack/fish?
    A very important reason that we don't need to raise here with sets is because are no turn cards that are very bad for us and when the board is this dry it becomes more likely that villain is just cbetting air. It's not likely villain has a straight draw as these hands probably don't raise pre and we also don't have to defend vs a flush draw. You also said that when holding a set you want to put the money in cause villain won't do it himself, using this logic to reraise is quite flawed. By raising villains cbet we guarantee that he won't put more money in with a bluff (a big chunk of his cbet range here is just air that might double barrel overcards OTT). Why don't you think he'll put more money in with most of his value range? Most of his value range is overpairs which will rarely stop betting OTT and we have them absolutely crushed with a set.


    Edit: another problem with raising sets OTF is that when we select some bluffs to balance it out there is pretty serious card removal issues. All of our hands that we'd want to bluff do not block villains value range while they DO block villains drawing range. For example, if we are bluffing with 86s 87s (76s?) then its less likely that he is cbetting a drawing hand like this as well and is more likely to be on 9x or an overpair.
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    12-02-2016 , 09:02 PM
    So conclusion dont raise this flop with set because V will fold a lot and dont raise this flop as a bluff because V will fold a lot Makes sense
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    12-03-2016 , 05:35 AM
    Or dont raise flop with set, call gets more value. And use float with bluffs.
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    12-03-2016 , 10:07 AM
    ahaaa...call with a set because he fire a lot of turns and call with a bluffs because he fire a lot of turn.That make sense too
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