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05-26-2017 , 03:56 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37739797

BTN: $5.31 (106.2 bb)
SB: $7.25 (145 bb)
BB: $4.80 (96 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.08 (101.6 bb)
MP: $4.90 (98 bb)
CO: $9.22 (184.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $0.17, MP folds, CO calls $0.17, BTN calls $0.17, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.58) J 3 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.08) A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55,


Chose this line as I had great blockers to the J and A, plus A on turn smacks my range, as well as needing to find some bluffs (other than 910s etc.) in this spot on such a dry/rainbow flop to balance. Also I feel like players at this stake are not c-betting/taking advantage of range's enough in MW pots, therefor I expect to get a lot of credit taking this line (especially w/ action/position pre).
Thoughts?
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05-26-2017 , 04:06 PM
insta check/fold flop
lol because i always tell u to be aggro

glgl
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05-26-2017 , 04:14 PM
I'm not cbetting OOP multiway with just overs and a bdsd.

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05-27-2017 , 05:44 AM
C/f flop.
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05-27-2017 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
I'm not cbetting OOP multiway with just overs and a bdsd.

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What are your bluffs to balance your range (other than 910s)? Because I can think of a tonne of value you're c-betting here.
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05-27-2017 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DollarWill
What are your bluffs to balance your range (other than 910s)? Because I can think of a tonne of value you're c-betting here.
You shouldn't care about balance at all at these stakes.
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05-27-2017 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Karrlitos1
You shouldn't care about balance at all at these stakes.
whilst I agree that we don't have to be thinking about balancing @ these stakes in order to gain an edge on the pool/exploit the pool, I like to be constantly practicing solid poker/strategy, which includes balancing ranges, so that I am prepared to move up/through stakes.

And of course we don't have to balance in any spot, but I feel it is good to.
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05-27-2017 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DollarWill
whilst I agree that we don't have to be thinking about balancing @ these stakes in order to gain an edge on the pool/exploit the pool, I like to be constantly practicing solid poker/strategy, which includes balancing ranges, so that I am prepared to move up/through stakes.

And of course we don't have to balance in any spot, but I feel it is good to.
Even if we were balanced I don't think this combo would go into our betting range OTF. We should check a high frequency actually with these positions.
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05-27-2017 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Karrlitos1
Even if we were balanced I don't think this combo would go into our betting range OTF. We should check a high frequency actually with these positions.
Surely we are not checking any real value hands in these positions, otherwise we are simply losing value (allowing free cards + getting fewer bets in) - or are you checking some value combo's in these spots, and if so I'd love to hear your thought process behind that play?

Considering I am c-betting a lot of value combo's here OTF, what do you recommend I put into my bluff c-betting/turn barreling range? Other than 910s, of which there are only 4 combo's I thought this way a pretty decent one to include - bear in mind a lot of our flop bluff combo's are going to be betting turn for value/checking back and calling rivers (Ax).
Cheers for the input.
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05-27-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DollarWill
What are your bluffs to balance your range (other than 910s)? Because I can think of a tonne of value you're c-betting here.
You dont need many bluffs. I'd rather use one of the suites on the board instead of the one that missed.

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05-27-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
You dont need many bluffs. I'd rather use one of the suites on the board instead of the one that missed.

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Definitely some merit here - I like this. Out of interest are you saying you like the play w/ KQd/h/c, or just that your would preffer to see it w/ those combo's? (but not that you would actually advise it - JW). Thanks for the input.
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05-27-2017 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DollarWill
Definitely some merit here - I like this. Out of interest are you saying you like the play w/ KQd/h/c, or just that your would preffer to see it w/ those combo's? (but not that you would actually advise it - JW). Thanks for the input.
Im saying I'm bluffing with those cards on this board. Specifically because we have a back door flush draw to go with our overs.

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05-27-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DollarWill
Surely we are not checking any real value hands in these positions, otherwise we are simply losing value (allowing free cards + getting fewer bets in) - or are you checking some value combo's in these spots, and if so I'd love to hear your thought process behind that play?

Considering I am c-betting a lot of value combo's here OTF, what do you recommend I put into my bluff c-betting/turn barreling range? Other than 910s, of which there are only 4 combo's I thought this way a pretty decent one to include - bear in mind a lot of our flop bluff combo's are going to be betting turn for value/checking back and calling rivers (Ax).
Cheers for the input.
In theory we should be checking alot since our range is the widest here, and the cold caller's ranges are condensed and strong on this board, and our range is alot more air heavy, since they probably cold call something like 5 or 6% and we open around 15%, depending on your opening range.
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05-27-2017 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Karrlitos1
In theory we should be checking alot since our range is the widest here, and the cold caller's ranges are condensed and strong on this board, and our range is alot more air heavy, since they probably cold call something like 5 or 6% and we open around 15%, depending on your opening range.
The fact that we check a lot surely strengthens our bet OTF (which was one of my original points as too why I like this play). I also don't open 15% UTG.
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05-27-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Karrlitos1
In theory we should be checking alot since our range is the widest here, and the cold caller's ranges are condensed and strong on this board, and our range is alot more air heavy, since they probably cold call something like 5 or 6% and we open around 15%, depending on your opening range.
Wouldnt that be the opposite? We are the utg raiser with two IP callers. Their ranges are wide while ours is pretty narrow. This is a bad flop for UTG openers and we have pretty much the absolute bottom of our range, which is why we x/f.

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05-27-2017 , 05:29 PM
c/f flop. how many folds do you think you're getting by betting < 1/2 pot into two IP players? turn bet is fine, but again, too small.

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Surely we are not checking any real value hands in these positions, otherwise we are simply losing value (allowing free cards + getting fewer bets in) - or are you checking some value combo's in these spots, and if so I'd love to hear your thought process behind that play?
It depends on how you define value. I'm certainly checking hands like JTs/QJs/JJ and then a bunch of 8x hands and TT/99.

Last edited by .isolated; 05-27-2017 at 05:30 PM. Reason: lol balance at 5nl.
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05-27-2017 , 07:44 PM
x/f flop

check flop super high frequency also
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