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Old 06-14-2012, 07:16 PM   #1
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50NL JT 2-pair river decision

Villain runs 22/14, snap called the turn. 32.72$ left

    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13220162

    SB: $18.48 (37 bb)
    Hero (BB): $72.20 (144.4 bb)
    MP: $53.63 (107.3 bb)
    CO: $53.80 (107.6 bb)
    BTN: $50 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T J
    2 folds, BTN raises to $1.20, SB folds, Hero calls $0.70

    Flop: ($2.65) J 4 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

    Turn: ($5.65) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero raises to $14.58, BTN calls $10.08

    River: ($34.81) 5 (2 players)




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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:20 PM   #2
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

    sets get this in on the turn, giving the wetness of the board. is he bad enough to b/c KQ here, I dont think so unless its KhQh. Flush now got there which sucks, we dont even hold flush blockers. we do beat QQ-AA here. Do they call that river, I dont think so.

    c-f for me.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:27 PM   #3
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    sets get this in on the turn, giving the wetness of the board. is he bad enough to b/c KQ here, I dont think so unless its KhQh. Flush now got there which sucks, we dont even hold flush blockers. we do beat QQ-AA here. Do they call that river, I dont think so.

    c-f for me.
    What am I doing if he shoves here on the turn? I sometimes even donīt want to raise these kind of hands ott, because it feels like at 50NL they never have a draw if they shove here.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:32 PM   #4
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    What am I doing if he shoves here on the turn? I sometimes even donīt want to raise these kind of hands ott, because it feels like at 50NL they never have a draw if they shove here.
    Call obviously. He can shove an overpair or AJ here because you can have a draw a lot.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:37 PM   #5
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    What am I doing if he shoves here on the turn? I sometimes even donīt want to raise these kind of hands ott, because it feels like at 50NL they never have a draw if they shove here.
    they can have QQ+ and pair+flushes
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:41 PM   #6
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

    If he shoves the turn, I think you have to call. He could be shoving AA-QQ, AcJc, and AhKh.

    It's a little unorthodox, but I would probably make a blockish bet here on the river -- about $10. With only $22 left in his stack after he calls, he won't think that he has fold equity, so he won't bluff you. But it's small enough that he can call you with worse (AA-QQ, AcJc). If he shoves, then you can fold confidently knowing that you're beat.

    I wouldn't do this play if you were deeper, though. It would only invite a bluff.
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:44 PM   #7
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    they can have QQ+ and pair+flushes
    yeah, maybe just me running bad in these kind of spots.
    I was pretty sure heīs on a draw after he snap called the turn. How bad is it to check call the river given there are draws like clubs, KQ etc. that missed. Is a 22/14 w 1.6 river AF bluffing those after a check?
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

    Also I think your turn raise should be a bit larger as a standard here then river is a bit easier to play
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

    I don't like a check/call on the river.

    He has more made draws than missed draws here when he bets. Although it's a good play, I don't see many 50NL regs bluffing missed clubs here -- especially because a lot of his missed clubs have showdown value (e.g., AcJc, KcJc).
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    Old 06-14-2012, 07:59 PM   #10
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

    If I check this river AJ, KJ is dead most of the time.
    But since most regs at 50NL donīt bluff in these spots itīs a c/f, right?

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    I don't like a check/call on the river.

    He has more made draws than missed draws here when he bets. Although it's a good play, I don't see many 50NL regs bluffing missed clubs here -- especially because a lot of his missed clubs have showdown value (e.g., AcJc, KcJc).
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    Old 06-14-2012, 08:30 PM   #11
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

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    If I check this river AJ, KJ is dead most of the time.
    But since most regs at 50NL donīt bluff in these spots itīs a c/f, right?
    Yeah I think the fact that a lot of regs will check down all their weak value hands and not turn them into bluffs means you can safely cf this river. As you said AJ and KJ will check back, as will QQ KK and AA.

    EDIT: On second though doesnt villain have as many missed unpaired clubs as he has missed unpaired hearts?
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    Old 06-14-2012, 10:14 PM   #12
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    Yeah I think the fact that a lot of regs will check down all their weak value hands and not turn them into bluffs means you can safely cf this river. As you said AJ and KJ will check back, as will QQ KK and AA.

    EDIT: On second though doesnt villain have as many missed unpaired clubs as he has missed unpaired hearts?
    I expected him to even have more club than heart draws, as he started to bet bigger ott. Thatīs why I check called river.
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    Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision

    i wouldn't c/f
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