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06-14-2012, 07:16 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
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50NL JT 2-pair river decision
Villain runs 22/14, snap called the turn. 32.72$ left
Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13220162
SB: $18.48 (37 bb)
Hero (BB): $72.20 (144.4 bb)
MP: $53.63 (107.3 bb)
CO: $53.80 (107.6 bb)
BTN: $50 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with T  J 
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.20, SB folds, Hero calls $0.70
Flop: ($2.65) J  4  3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50
Turn: ($5.65) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero raises to $14.58, BTN calls $10.08
River: ($34.81) 5 (2 players)
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06-14-2012, 07:20 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: trolling in Bangkok
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
sets get this in on the turn, giving the wetness of the board. is he bad enough to b/c KQ here, I dont think so unless its KhQh. Flush now got there which sucks, we dont even hold flush blockers. we do beat QQ-AA here. Do they call that river, I dont think so.
c-f for me.
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06-14-2012, 07:27 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow
sets get this in on the turn, giving the wetness of the board. is he bad enough to b/c KQ here, I dont think so unless its KhQh. Flush now got there which sucks, we dont even hold flush blockers. we do beat QQ-AA here. Do they call that river, I dont think so.
c-f for me.
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What am I doing if he shoves here on the turn? I sometimes even donīt want to raise these kind of hands ott, because it feels like at 50NL they never have a draw if they shove here.
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06-14-2012, 07:32 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
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Originally Posted by philip(p)ro
What am I doing if he shoves here on the turn? I sometimes even donīt want to raise these kind of hands ott, because it feels like at 50NL they never have a draw if they shove here.
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Call obviously. He can shove an overpair or AJ here because you can have a draw a lot.
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06-14-2012, 07:37 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: trolling in Bangkok
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
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Originally Posted by philip(p)ro
What am I doing if he shoves here on the turn? I sometimes even donīt want to raise these kind of hands ott, because it feels like at 50NL they never have a draw if they shove here.
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they can have QQ+ and pair+flushes
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06-14-2012, 07:41 PM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austerityland....sigh.
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
If he shoves the turn, I think you have to call. He could be shoving AA-QQ, AcJc, and AhKh.
It's a little unorthodox, but I would probably make a blockish bet here on the river -- about $10. With only $22 left in his stack after he calls, he won't think that he has fold equity, so he won't bluff you. But it's small enough that he can call you with worse (AA-QQ, AcJc). If he shoves, then you can fold confidently knowing that you're beat.
I wouldn't do this play if you were deeper, though. It would only invite a bluff.
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06-14-2012, 07:44 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow
they can have QQ+ and pair+flushes
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yeah, maybe just me running bad in these kind of spots.
I was pretty sure heīs on a draw after he snap called the turn. How bad is it to check call the river given there are draws like clubs, KQ etc. that missed. Is a 22/14 w 1.6 river AF bluffing those after a check?
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06-14-2012, 07:50 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
Also I think your turn raise should be a bit larger as a standard here then river is a bit easier to play
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06-14-2012, 07:52 PM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austerityland....sigh.
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
I don't like a check/call on the river.
He has more made draws than missed draws here when he bets. Although it's a good play, I don't see many 50NL regs bluffing missed clubs here -- especially because a lot of his missed clubs have showdown value (e.g., AcJc, KcJc).
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06-14-2012, 07:59 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
If I check this river AJ, KJ is dead most of the time.
But since most regs at 50NL donīt bluff in these spots itīs a c/f, right?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acquittal
I don't like a check/call on the river.
He has more made draws than missed draws here when he bets. Although it's a good play, I don't see many 50NL regs bluffing missed clubs here -- especially because a lot of his missed clubs have showdown value (e.g., AcJc, KcJc).
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06-14-2012, 08:30 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
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Originally Posted by philip(p)ro
If I check this river AJ, KJ is dead most of the time.
But since most regs at 50NL donīt bluff in these spots itīs a c/f, right?
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Yeah I think the fact that a lot of regs will check down all their weak value hands and not turn them into bluffs means you can safely cf this river. As you said AJ and KJ will check back, as will QQ KK and AA.
EDIT: On second though doesnt villain have as many missed unpaired clubs as he has missed unpaired hearts?
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06-14-2012, 10:14 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
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Originally Posted by Soulwaxical
Yeah I think the fact that a lot of regs will check down all their weak value hands and not turn them into bluffs means you can safely cf this river. As you said AJ and KJ will check back, as will QQ KK and AA.
EDIT: On second though doesnt villain have as many missed unpaired clubs as he has missed unpaired hearts?
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I expected him to even have more club than heart draws, as he started to bet bigger ott. Thatīs why I check called river.
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06-14-2012, 10:47 PM
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Resident Rollbuster
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Re: 50NL JT 2-pair river decision
i wouldn't c/f
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