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50nl DEEEEEEEP trouble (lol get it, its a pun) 50nl DEEEEEEEP trouble (lol get it, its a pun)

01-12-2008 , 08:44 PM
Im really pretty readless on the big stack. Hes an ave 19/11, hasnt done anything tricky but hes def not bad. the shorite is a moran and prob has one pair here. Ive been slow at this table cuz i wasnt getting alot of hands. This is a tricky spot imo, lemme know

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $10.80
SB: $105.50
Hero (BB): $91.35
UTG: $53.00
CO: $24.70

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T 6
2 folds, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) 2 5 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.50) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $1

River: ($4.50) 9 (3 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $17, BTN calls $9.30 all in, SB raises to $104 all in, Hero thinks
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01-12-2008 , 08:50 PM
He is not doing this with a 6. This looks exactly like 10J. Instamuck.
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01-12-2008 , 08:50 PM
Ignore, I misread positions. Actually he might.
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01-12-2008 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by corsakh
he cant call your turn with JT, must have a 6
you're joking, right?
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01-12-2008 , 08:52 PM
u have the second nutz. and tha dude has appeared to b at least sorta compitent. so in order to lose here he must have called a turn bet with 2 over and a gutter draw. doesnt seem to me like that is very likely but there arent that many hands that he would do this.

not to mention he almost certainly thinks a 6 is tha nutz.

stop postin ur bad beats in unl u newb. u r sooooo far ahead. ship tha G bux
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01-12-2008 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PayoffWiz
Best case scenario you are chopping. He is not doing this with a 6. This looks exactly like 10J. Instamuck.
lil off topic but i am loling at ur name vs ur post
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01-12-2008 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz2107
u have the second nutz. and tha dude has appeared to b at least sorta compitent. so in order to lose here he must have called a turn bet with 2 over and a gutter draw. doesnt seem to me like that is very likely but there arent that many hands that he would do this.

not to mention he almost certainly thinks a 6 is tha nutz.

stop postin ur bad beats in unl u newb. u r sooooo far ahead. ship tha G bux
i even mentioned my image! ship ship!
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01-12-2008 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
i even mentioned my image! ship ship!
i was gonna link tha thread in here if u didnt lol
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01-12-2008 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
lil off topic but i am loling at ur name vs ur post
I do in fact enjoy paying people off often, but there are some select scenarios where a fold is in order. His overbet lead on the river followed by the shove makes this hand look very much like 10J. 106 is also possible given the action, although unlikely. I doubt he does this with just a 6, especially if he is semi-competent. If he had 100BBs, it is obviously a call after the raise, but given stack sizes, this seems like a clear fold.
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01-12-2008 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz2107
u have the second nutz. and tha dude has appeared to b at least sorta compitent. so in order to lose here he must have called a turn bet with 2 over and a gutter draw. doesnt seem to me like that is very likely but there arent that many hands that he would do this.

not to mention he almost certainly thinks a 6 is tha nutz.

stop postin ur bad beats in unl u newb. u r sooooo far ahead. ship tha G bux
qft and qflol
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01-12-2008 , 09:16 PM
call a dollar on the turn for the implied odds at $100. That would really bother me and make me fold.
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01-12-2008 , 09:25 PM
lol
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01-12-2008 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Masterhp
lol
care to elaborate?
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01-12-2008 , 09:36 PM
sick spot dude...make it 22 the first time around though...id call here but would certainly not be fist pumping.
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01-12-2008 , 09:37 PM
He's got what you have, or what you fear. Pretty sick.

I don't care what the action was previously, it's pretty freaking obvious he's got more than a singleton 6 with what the bigger action is telling you. Villain's not insane, and he LOVEs his hand. With your equity to split with him at best and all the JT combos, and fewer T6 combos -- I don't think this is anything but a fold for another buy-in plus.

The only problem is that T6 is more likely from turn action, and less likely due to pf (it would have to be T6s, but JTos is okay in pf.)

Very reluctant fold...
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01-12-2008 , 10:04 PM
I'll fold with ur read that his competent

Last edited by wooziephantom; 01-12-2008 at 10:10 PM.
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01-12-2008 , 10:12 PM
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Do we have to raise this river?
i think you always have to raise this river.
your going to get called by a 6 way more times then your running into j-10
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01-12-2008 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sinderg
i think you always have to raise this river.
your going to get called by a 6 way more times then your running into j-10

I agree, misread the board, thought it was four to a straight out there, that's why I removed it
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01-12-2008 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz2107
u have the second nutz. and tha dude has appeared to b at least sorta compitent. so in order to lose here he must have called a turn bet with 2 over and a gutter draw. doesnt seem to me like that is very likely but there arent that many hands that he would do this.

not to mention he almost certainly thinks a 6 is tha nutz.

stop postin ur bad beats in unl u newb. u r sooooo far ahead. ship tha G bux
Yeah, that's pretty much what I felt when I saw it - can't believe people wanna fold.
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01-12-2008 , 11:06 PM
Thac,

do you see anything better than a split here? Ever?

Villain will not think a 6 is the nuts unless he's worse than we have any reason to believe.

edit: and villain should at least think it's possible that hero has JT, still no fear from him pushing a buy-in ++.
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01-12-2008 , 11:18 PM
Kasane you many not like it but there are certain points while playing poker that you just dont fold the 2nd nuts.
by all means dont fist pump call and then bbv.
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01-12-2008 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kaz2107
u have the second nutz. and tha dude has appeared to b at least sorta compitent. so in order to lose here he must have called a turn bet with 2 over and a gutter draw. doesnt seem to me like that is very likely but there arent that many hands that he would do this.

not to mention he almost certainly thinks a 6 is tha nutz.

stop postin ur bad beats in unl u newb. u r sooooo far ahead. ship tha G bux
So he wouldn't call a dollar with a gutshot and overs but he's 3-bet shoving a bare 6 for 200bb? Come on.

The only way you're ahead is if he's lost his mind and misread the board or something. This can't even be a sick bluff because the pot is protected. So you're calling for a chop. Just pitch it.
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01-12-2008 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sinderg
you just dont fold the 2nd nuts.
That so?
Your not gonna fold 2222K for no amount of moneys?
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01-12-2008 , 11:40 PM
Totally agree that folding the second nuts is hardly standard, but lets look at it closely. If there's anytime, it's when you're 3bet shoved on for 200bb in a protected pot by a more or less invisible/unremarkable villain on the river in a limped pot pf.

I think everyone agrees this isn't a set. It's a straight to the 9,T, or J.

If you think you're up against someone who would do this with a bare 6 some of the time -- fine, call away. That's a real special breed of fellow.
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01-12-2008 , 11:48 PM
saying call in a spot where u have the second nuts and villian likely has at least the second nuts for a sizable amount more is incorrect i think. He doesn't look like random 2pair/set at all.
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