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02-10-2009, 11:36 PM
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banned
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50NL - badly played trips?
Villain is 27/19. I'm not entirely happy about my limp but there we go, I limped. A rare occurrence.
What I'm interested in is the river. I timed down for ages on this as I just could not figure out what villain was repping. Could his line be anything other than a spazz-out?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($55.70)
SB ($70.40)
BB ($49.25)
UTG ($57.85)
MP ($57.50)
CO ($48.95)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 4  , 6 
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB checks
Flop: ($2.25) A  , 4  , 4 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2
Turn: ($6.25) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4
River: ($14.25) 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7.50, CO raises to $42.45 (All-In),
Hero ???
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02-10-2009, 11:40 PM
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Brighton, MI
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
It's a really strange card to go in on, villain is repping A7, 77, or 47 (though probably not 47). He's beating you with 99 and 77 that is within a decent range, but a7 is a maybe but I don't see him checking that through.
I'd be extremely frustrated with a fold or a call here, and most likely just flip a mental coin here.
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02-11-2009, 12:49 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
If u think a river decision is truly a coinflip then u should always call cause the money in the pot up to that point makes it +ev.
A 29/17 should be folding or raising all hands that have u beat here. If he has just a bare 4 in his hand then it should be with a 5 or 3 kicker I'd imagine and u chop there.
But he has to have some kind of range here so for him to take this line he either has 4x or Ax, as said above if he has a 4 then I think he's chopping (unless he limps K4 suited???)
Also note that he can't have A4s here since only 4 in deck left is a spade. So if we assume he only limps suited aces then we win too, I think we safely assume that he raises 77+ so really only hand we lose to is K4s. So if he only plays bad suited cards but not offsuit then we lose to one hand only.
So lets assume he plays offsuit too, I think someone that plays like this and takes this line with A4 or K4 prolly does it with A9 and A7 too thinking u don't have a 4 since u bet flop (altho assuming he's thinking might be asking a lot).
Board: As 4h 4d 9h 7c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.643% 64.29% 05.36% 18 1.50 { 6c4c }
Hand 1: 30.357% 25.00% 05.36% 7 1.50 { A9s, A7s, K4s, 64s, 54s, 43s, A9o, A7o, Ac4s, Ad4s, Ah4s, K4o }
And if that is his range we have a clear call. If he really has to have a 4 in his hand to do this tho it's a fold but I don't think we can ever assume this and have to make the call when we don't have the necessary reads to fold.
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02-11-2009, 12:53 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
dont limp, its alright, but i'll fold river
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02-11-2009, 03:11 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
hes a 27/19 who limped so his line doesnt really make that much sense... AA and 99 he almost certainly isnt limping pre... 77 shouldnt be calling 2 barrels... so that leaves A9s/A7s/A4s... honestly when someones line doesnt make sense i usually look him up... but lol @ me he probably has A4s or 77 every time here
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02-11-2009, 03:57 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
wtf?
easy fold!!!
imo it's so clear that you're beat,this spot is horrible for a bluff crai on the river,and thats the only thing that you can beat with your hand..
i think he has flopped the nuts with A4..perhaps he has 99...but anyway your beat in nine from ten times...
don't go broke in a limped pot without a hand nearly the nuts...
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02-11-2009, 04:02 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pronto
wtf?
easy fold!!!
don't go broke in a limped pot without a hand nearly the nuts...
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+1
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02-11-2009, 04:33 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
u can fold here with the checkraise
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02-11-2009, 05:15 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
weird but i think its a tarp, winning by folding there
also, 46sooted on the button is a raise imo
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02-11-2009, 05:24 AM
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banned
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
This is perhaps my only limped pot ever at 50NL, ha! And look at all the trouble it caused me.
I am interested why people think this is an 'easy fold' to the crai on the river. Construct a reasonable range for a 27/19 who has overlimped and tell me how I do against it. Because as soon as I start thinking about, the more and more this looks like a snap call.
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02-11-2009, 05:34 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
theres no reason he c/r the river with a sd-value-hand. its a big c/r and either its a sick bluff or a nice value-shovel
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02-11-2009, 05:43 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pronto
this spot is horrible for a bluff crai on the river,and thats the only thing that you can beat with your hand..
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that's the reason...
don't think about his limping range,think about his range for a river crai in this spot!
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02-11-2009, 05:48 AM
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banned
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephialtes
theres no reason he c/r the river with a sd-value-hand. its a big c/r and either its a sick bluff or a nice value-shovel
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I know! But the only credible hand that plays it this way is - maybe - 77, and does he call two barrels in a multiway limped pot with 77? The other main possibility is A4s, which he might overlimp with; but do I not find out about A4 on the turn?
It looks so much like a spazzy bluff. Sick.
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02-11-2009, 05:49 AM
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banned
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pronto
that's the reason...
don't think about his limping range,think about his range for a river crai in this spot!
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I am. What do you think it is?
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02-11-2009, 05:56 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2008
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Re: 50NL - badly played trips?
bet $6 on the turn and $13 on river.
call the river ofc
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