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Old 07-05-2012, 06:20 PM   #1
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50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    Boss, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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    Hero (SB): $55.16 (110.3 bb)
    BB: $118.76 (237.5 bb)
    CO: $88.69 (177.4 bb)
    BTN: $57 (114 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 2
    CO raises to $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds

    Flop: ($5.75) 2 5 3 (3 players)
    Hero bets $4.31, CO calls $4.31, BTN raises to $18.32,Hero ?


    CO is a tight reg 18/14/2,2 over 1k hands
    BTN is a complete fish 40/17 over 140 hands

    saw the reg a couple of times raising his premiums vs. donkbets so i decided to donk to induce a raise, but suddenly the fish decides to be aggrofish after the reg called .. not sure whats the best line to carry on here
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    Old 07-05-2012, 06:23 PM   #2
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    4 handed its a no brainer shove. Calling dosnt do much as c/o is folding all his over pairs anyway so just get it in vs the fish.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 07:00 PM   #3
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    err................... what did you want to happen when you donked. Now get the f money in
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    Old 07-05-2012, 07:05 PM   #4
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

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    err................... what did you want to happen when you donked. Now get the f money in
    Op stated he wasn't sure about the correct line to carry on, which makes me believe he has no intention of folding.

    He's asking if calling the fish re-raise is good giving the reg a chance to call/shove.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 07:10 PM   #5
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    Op stated he wasn't sure about the correct line to carry on, which makes me believe he has no intention of folding.

    He's asking if calling the fish re-raise is good giving the reg a chance to call/shove.

    I wish people would read threads properly before typing in 1 line useless responses.
    Ok I did read the thread completely but there are several turn cards
    which can present problems so I think a call here is pretty bad vs this particular line up. I'm sorry if my original response came across badly to you but this is a clear shove and nowhere near close.

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    Old 07-05-2012, 07:12 PM   #6
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    Jam. Calling looks SUPER strong. Nice donk btw.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 07:16 PM   #7
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

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    Op stated he wasn't sure about the correct line to carry on, which makes me believe he has no intention of folding.

    He's asking if calling the fish re-raise is good giving the reg a chance to call/shove.
    that pretty much sums it up .. ingame i was insta shoving, but while reviewing my session i was kind off unsure if a call would be an option
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    Old 07-05-2012, 07:29 PM   #8
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    that pretty much sums it up .. ingame i was insta shoving, but while reviewing my session i was kind off unsure if a call would be an option
    If fish called your db and reg re-raised your db i would say calling is certainly an option hoping to let fish call and stay in the pot.

    But when fish re-raises any semi competent player is going to fold out all his over pairs making calling pointless you may as'well shove and get it in vs the fish. Nothing you do is going to make the reg put another penny in this pot.
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    Old 07-05-2012, 08:56 PM   #9
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    shove flop

    donking flop is unnecessary but def not bad; you want to x flop and let the TAG cbet so the fish can call and THEN you can raise.

    if the fish was the original raiser and the TAG was on the BTN, leading would then become more profitable since the fish would probably call and then the TAG could call/raise.
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    Old 07-06-2012, 12:12 AM   #10
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    He needs to be getting it in with some 4x here to make it +ev, or your equity is fairly ****ty
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    Old 07-06-2012, 04:22 AM   #11
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

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    He needs to be getting it in with some 4x here to make it +ev, or your equity is fairly ****ty
    errrr no, according to op villain is a complete fish therefor he can be raising 66+ 4x 5x
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    Old 07-06-2012, 05:41 AM   #12
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    i find fish often fold 66+/4x etc if we shove but will bluff turn or shove/bet for value if we call? I would call in this spot but try my best to get it in on turn
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    Old 07-06-2012, 06:33 AM   #13
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

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    errrr no, according to op villain is a complete fish therefor he can be raising 66+ 4x 5x
    Yeah but we don't know if he's a spazzy aggressive one or a passive one, most fish tend to be passive and they just call down 4x / 5x etc.
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    Old 07-06-2012, 06:40 AM   #14
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    I'd rather go for a c/r on the flop unless CO doesn't cbet very much, but as played easy shove.
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    Old 07-06-2012, 07:06 AM   #15
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    Re: 50€ NL 22 Bottom Set unusual Flop Action

    thepaul1 what do you think he calls here otf AI? you think he raise calling or raise folding 4x?
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