From what others have said so far, this is why I polarize my range and I feel dominated hands and mid pockets are the hands that we should be trying to see flops, not building huge pots oop.
I also agree 100% with kokiri about the atc thing. I think putting so much weight into initiative isnt enough of a justification and using it as one means we could and should be doing this with any two cards depending on the situation. Dont get me wrong, there are times where I have 3b JT and I was absolutely sure it was a profitable move, but Im talking more about the general situations. Reads obviously change all of this.
Daycare, I think you hit the nail on the head and what I have been trying to get at. I think 3 betting dominated hands kills their value and gets us in huge trouble. What I think alot of people miss is that even though AJ or KQ may be ahead of the late positions opening range doesnt mean it is ahead of his 3b calling range. Now I understand that there will be a number of times where we bet and they fold on the flop which is good for us. That allows us to open up our 3 bets a little bit more, which is another reason why I add the air part of my 3 bet range. But I dont think they fold often enough to make up for someone who is 3 betting a huge range.
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that's the kind of ******ation you see over and over and over from people with hands like JJ/TT/AQ vs. opponents with tight calling ranges, and there's really not much reason for it.
Its funny that you mention those hands because those are the 3 hands that I think we really need to evaluate before auto 3 betting. While JJ and AQ are obviously in my 3 bet range, it really depends. I almost never 3b AQ vs a utg open, I just dont see the point unless I have reads/stats that tell me otherwise. Along with this, if a 14/12 is opening on the button, while he might open light, there is still no point in 3 betting AQ and TT. There is no way we are ahead of his calling range unless we believe he is making moves in position.