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04-20-2014 , 10:50 PM

Swanndogg

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102BB effective.

No huge read on villain. Doesn't seem terrible.

Hero has K

from CO.

Pre flop ($.75)
UTG folds, Hero bets $1.75, BTN folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop ($4.00) 7

SB checks, Hero checks

Turn ($4.00) K

SB bets $3, Hero raises $8.50, SB calls

River ($21) 6

SB checks, Hero bets $10.50, SB raises $41.45 and is all in, Hero ???

Ill write what I did and what he had at end of thread''s life. Please explain rationale

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04-21-2014 , 01:44 AM

leproso88

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Any stats at all? Depending on villain I probably CB that flop. Are you checking for balance or something? When he bet 3/4 of the pot OTT I probably just call. I don't understand the point of checking back OTF and now re raising even if we improved to top 2. Probably bet/fold OTR is the best option. I can't see any worse hands that bet/call OTT and then check/shove OTR besides a complete bluff which seems unlikely.

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04-21-2014 , 12:48 PM

Swanndogg

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Originally Posted by leproso88

No significant stats. No HUD. Checking flop to keep pot small with intention of caling villain's cbet and evaluating river. Raising turn is probably marginal, I was hoping to get called to KQ, JQ, other Qx. Didn't think he would raise with those combo draws on the turn, as AQ is in my range.

Question on river for me, was less what worse hands does he have that can shove river, and more how many bluffs does he do this with (is he capable of turning KQ into a bluff). I just think he is 3betting me on the turn with any straight, and never c/shoving a set, so the only thing he reps is a backdoor flush???

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04-21-2014 , 03:21 PM

leproso88

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Well I've never played NL50 so far so I don't know if I can really answer that, but from experience I would say that him turning KQ into a bluff is really really really unlikely and I don't think that I've ever seen it. I agree that a set doesn't make much sense...why check/shoving OTR when the flush completed instead of 3Betting OTT for example? But I don't think that we can discard a straight OTT, he can have AQ and Q9. What makes you think that he would 3B that?

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04-21-2014 , 03:36 PM

samcx

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Checking flop is fine IMO, I'd just call turn.

Last edited by samcx; 04-21-2014 at 03:42 PM.

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04-21-2014 , 03:46 PM

Swanndogg

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Originally Posted by leproso88

because he needs to protect on the turn and/or doesn't want to see any action killing cards, so he is generally 3betting turn with a made straight. Not to mention, a straight is rarely check shoving here - why turn the straight into a bluff - he has tons more showdown value with that then he does w/ KQ/Ac10x (which is pretty much 0 after I raise and bet river). I would expect either a c/call or a b/call with the straight. The only thing he can really have here that beats me is the A

IMO.

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04-21-2014 , 04:31 PM

MartimC

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I would call turn also

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04-21-2014 , 04:34 PM

MartimC

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Also why so big preflop
I would go $1.25 pre

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04-21-2014 , 04:56 PM

Swanndogg

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Originally Posted by MartimC

I would call turn also

c'mon, dude, I get the turn. Analysis of the river, please.

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04-21-2014 , 04:58 PM

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MartimC

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Would call with Tc

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04-21-2014 , 07:46 PM

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veryangrypotato

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flop ck ok. and I like the turn raise. you will be reraised by straits but you will pay those off on most rivers anyway. you will also fold out some weaker hands, but they are unlikely to call or bluff the river.

But you are also getting value on the turn from all club draws - and there are a lot of them. Since you are actually repping a strait on the turn and again on the river, I doubt if villain will try to bluff you. I cant see villain raising without clubs. Since you have demonstrated so much strength, he has every reason to think you will bet again on the river -so he goes for the ck raise.

All of which points to.. ck river

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