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09-28-2015 , 12:46 PM
Good day,

Villain (59/2) over 52 hands.

I would like to hear suggested play through all streets and especially bet sizing, thank you!

    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37132724

    MP: $3.25 (162.5 bb)
    CO: $1.91 (95.5 bb)
    BTN: $0.57 (28.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
    BB: $1.70 (85 bb)
    UTG: $2 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A 7
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, BB folds, MP calls $0.06

    Flop: ($0.18) 9 7 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

    Turn: ($0.26) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.15, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.15

    River: ($0.86) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.49, MP raises to $0.98, Hero raises to $1.58 and is all-in, MP calls $0.60

    Spoiler:
    Results: $4.02 pot ($0.14 rake)
    Final Board: 9 7 7 Q 5
    MP showed Q Q and won $3.88 ($1.88 net)
    Hero showed A 7 and lost (-$2 net)



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    09-28-2015 , 12:49 PM
    I'll move this to NL for you.
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    09-28-2015 , 12:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DougL
    I'll move this to NL for you.
    Thanks DougL, surfed into a wrong directory, sorry.
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    09-28-2015 , 12:56 PM
    No problem, glad to help. You might want to explain why you raised PF, check/called flop as the pre-flop aggressor, and then lead the turn. It seems like a confusing line, so explaining why you chose to do so might help discussion. I didn't click the spoil, but this seems like a really strange line to take.
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    09-28-2015 , 12:59 PM
    Bet flop, Bet Turn, Bet/call river.
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    09-28-2015 , 01:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DougL
    No problem, glad to help. You might want to explain why you raised PF, check/called flop as the pre-flop aggressor, and then lead the turn. It seems like a confusing line, so explaining why you chose to do so might help discussion. I didn't click the spoil, but this seems like a really strange line to take.
    Why i raised PF? I think that limping PF shows a weak hand, any my A7s looked like a good hand to make a value bet.

    Flop: I chose to play tight as not to spoil about my trips.

    Turn: Q came as a scare card so this is where i had to show some action, as we are covering catched trips, also river might finish my flush, which would be great. After get re-raised on turn, i thought that he might be lucky to have the same trips or some random Q

    River: The river showed me the top flush, so i tried to make a value bet as not to scare villain, i thought he might have a weaker flush or same trips, had no idea about QQ, cause of PF play and no idea about 97, cause of his tight play during whole streets.

    Thats what i was thinking..
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    09-28-2015 , 01:26 PM
    Isoing pre is good.

    Never check flop after someone just limpcalled and you flopped trips. Just bet big for 3 streets and make $$$
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    09-28-2015 , 03:04 PM
    Might also want to take a look at the guidelines here. If you already include the results in your topic the chances to get unbiased opinions are zero. That being said this hand is a no brainer you not getting away if he has a better hand he is a fish with his line pre and you flopped the nuts. Next time bet them!
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    09-28-2015 , 03:14 PM
    Your line with first calling and then donking is spew.
    Just bet flop, i didnt see the result, but he minraised you at turn, so i would only c/c river but not bet/3-bet, just because he dont minraise the turn with a FD i would not bet/3-bet here, this line looks so nutheavy from this fish that i dont think its much less then at least trips here, and on this river he will not raise his trips anymore.
    But only because you played this line, you are faced a very stron range at river and then you even want to donk/3-bet, make no sence, why should he raise on a flushboard his trips after minraising the turn ?
    And this supersmall bet at flop and the minraise to your donk at turn just cry for nuts.

    So after all with your line you miss value from weaker hand and isolate against absolut top range and then even you think you can protable donk/3-bet the river, never.

    You could have even a read here, minbetting and then minraising on turn from him just looks bad played 99 here, i didnt see the results but i think he has 99.

    With bet flop it would be a cooler so i think your just beat after the riverraise, just because he dont minraises his weaker FD at turn and his trips wont raise the river this often after the flush is there, so you played a line like c/c, donk/call raise, donk/3-bet. (what the hell this line is so spewy, i cant believe it)
    If he raises you at river with a flush there its a nonbrainer, he could also have flushes, but with this line you seems to lose the most against his FH and win less against all other hands.
    If you c/c for some reasons flop, then c/c turn or c/r turn but its complicated, the line from him with this much aggresion just looks to me like a FH, at least at river.

    Last edited by philkill; 09-28-2015 at 03:34 PM.
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    09-28-2015 , 05:27 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by philkill
    Your line with first calling and then donking is spew.
    OP's line of check/calling the flop and donking the turn is absolutely not spew. He's crushing villain's range so hard here, betting is never going to be a mistake. In fact, nowhere in this hand is there spew. All the money should be going in at some point (preferably before the river fwiw).

    Having said that, there is absolutely no good reason not to bet the flop here, having initiative and being heads up with a massive fish. Don't assume just because you're betting the flop, that villain is going to give you credit for trips here.

    OP, you butchered the flop imo. The rest of the hand is well played though.
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    09-29-2015 , 10:01 AM
    He also has the full house blocker for the reasonable connector/one-gapper that the villain might be expected to limp with. Maybe even two hands, if villains are limping with Q7s. When you flop the most likely best hand and turn the best draw, improve, and have blockers to reasonable better, going broke seems fine.

    To me, this reasoning is the strange bit (as commented on by many of you)
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    Flop: I chose to play tight as not to spoil about my trips.
    Of all the hands the OP might have, trips doesn't come to mind. Think of all the times he has AK here (or some big, unpaired hand) and recklessly cbets, only to face pain/misery from the villains. Fixing this hole in thinking, will really help his game. You don't play strange on the flop because you always slowplay. You only slowplay in spots where it makes sense.
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    09-29-2015 , 12:28 PM
    Im greatly appreciated for all your thoughts and suggestions, there is much more to learn for me. I never thought that i could reach such in depth hand analyze, you guys brought me to the next level of thinking

    Im definitely gonna check the guidelines for posting the HH in 2p2 as not to spoil the content and to get the most value out of it..
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