Villain is unknown but quickly reveals himself as a fish OTF. Probably completely standard but run bad can mess with your mind so I'm posting this.

Villain is repping so little OTF and if he somehow has KK or AA I doubt he'd suddenly stop slow playing on this texture. Figured I'd just call the x/r to let him continue spaz bluffing OTT. Was doubtful that villain holds 66-JJ here and would x/r given that I 3bet from MP.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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BTN: $24.17 (96.7 bb)
SB: $9.46 (37.8 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $30.65 (122.6 bb)
Hero (MP): $43.09 (172.4 bb)
CO: $114.80 (459.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.60, 3 folds, BB calls $2.35, UTG folds

Flop: ($6.05) 5 5 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.42, BB raises to $10.25, Hero calls $7.83

Turn: ($26.55) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $12.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $12.15

River: ($50.85) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

I think the play here is Jam or fold flop. Not completely sure though.

Turn Jam by BB is extremely strong and I opt for a fold on the turn. He almost only ever has nutted hands on the turn and rarely 99~JJ/semi-bluffs.


Assuming a conservative range:
He can have A5, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10, AK, AQ, 44, QQ on the flop.

You beat four of the nine combos, tie with one. By the turn you simply narrow his range down to more nutted hands so it's -EV

If he is what you think he is he has even more combinations you beat from 9's to KQs OTF~

well played, we cant fold turn.. and Jamming flop doesnt make a ton of sense imo

It doesn't work like that. Regarding the hand, wp.

WP. Just call flop, let him cont. bluffs. And if he have TT, then he comitted to the pot at any turn anyway.

Obv folding flop is out of the ****ing question.

This is assuming he is bluffing on OTF. Calling pre and reraising OTF narrows his range enough to mostly nutty hands. If we call flop to a re raise size like that, it is an exploitable play with his range as V has simply pot committed Hero.

He is almost never jamming with hands worse than QQ OTT, let alone reraising flop with that sizing as bluff when it folds out heroes bluff range.

I think everyone here is simply assuming villian is the only one who can be bluffing in this spot, hero could also have bluff c-bet range otf thus makes no sense that villian reraises here.

In conclusion against unknown, flatting a sizing that large OTF commits you to any turn and is extremely exploitable.

Additionally, I also think that folding turn is really bad considering you called OTF, and you are right here enough times to call it off. The reason I said fold turn is I am assuming that the flop play is a mistake and we shouldnt be looking at turn in the first place.

First of all, BB is a fish. He really shouldn't have a raising range here to begin with, and his sizing indicates a complete lack of understanding of the spot. In my experience, fish raise most of their overpairs a lot.

Your not folding any turns after calling that sizing. Since villain is a fish, his GII range OTF will more oft than not have enough worse hands that call to make it a profitable 3bet A-I, and I suspect he probably has open-enders that are calling too.

Conclusion: GII OTF

I was pointing out that combos don't work like that.

What kaarlitos is trying to say (albeit in a kinda unhelpful manner) is that there are multiple combos for each hand you've listed. Given your range estimate, there are in fact a total of 78 combos (16 for A5, 6 for KK and so on)

Take KK. The 6 combos are:

KdKc
KdKs
KdKh
KcKs
KcKh
KsKh

That's how combos work.

Pre-flop: I like the 3-bet obviously, and the sizing is great. Nice and big because UTG can call with a lot of his range. We got CC from the BB, obviously pretty strong but doesn't want to 4-bet. His range is pretty strong, some AK, some AQ, some 88-JJ. Of course, if he's a fish, this widens significantly.

Flop: I like the c-bet, and when BB raises its very clear what he has. I expect him to show up with 88-JJ a lot here. Aside from that, he can have some bluffs, like AQ, maybe AK. Basically I think you're nearly always good here.

Turn: After calling flop we can't fold on this turn. A fish like this will shove with 88-JJ, which is exactly what I think he has here. Call and be very happy about it.

I mean yeah I get it now but isn't it kinda obvious I meant individual combos included?

Like I'm not going to sit there any type everything out

It's different, because not all hands have the same amount of combos. For example, a pocket pair only has 6 combos, an unsuited xx has 12 combos, a suited xx has 4 combos. Then you need to take into account the blockers. For example, in this hand there's only 1 combo of QQ he can have, only 7 combos of A5 instead of the regular 12, only 3 combos of 44.

A more accurate way of describing it (and with ranges it's best to be as accurate as possible) is to add up all the possible combos and then say (we beat xx and lose to xx).