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05-25-2016 , 09:05 PM

IamMrLorax

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Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2917786
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Hero (BTN): $43.23
SB: $57.74
BB: $78.52
UTG: $40.65
MP: $69.65
CO: $28.11

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 7

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, SB raises to $2.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.48

Flop: ($4.45) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

Turn: ($9.65) J

(2 players)
SB bets $4.61, Hero raises to $13.70, SB calls $9.09

River: ($37.05) A

(2 players)
SB checks, [color=red]Hero???

Pretty standard I think until river where I am unsure whether I can value bet.

All thoughts much appreciated

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05-26-2016 , 06:25 AM

IamMrLorax

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Bump

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05-26-2016 , 06:35 AM

Karrlitos1

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Flop and turn is WP. River is close but I would shove.

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05-26-2016 , 06:37 AM

mahsjdi

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So you only valuebet straights otr?

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05-26-2016 , 06:42 AM

runnerBean

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how do you know he doesn't have pocket aces or kings?

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05-26-2016 , 06:51 AM

Karrlitos1

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Originally Posted by runnerBean

how do you know he doesn't have pocket aces or kings?

How do you know he doesn't have AK or KJ?

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05-26-2016 , 07:00 AM

berry1

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Any reads as to what his 3-betting range might be? Can he have 99 or QTs? Would he c-bet with JJ?

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05-26-2016 , 07:02 AM

Charlie Yu

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Shove, we are still ahead of a calling range of AA,KK and AK, and I would discount KK given that the turn is so wet.

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05-26-2016 , 07:35 AM

Bladesman87

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Ship it.

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05-26-2016 , 08:15 AM

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Clanty

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What bluffs do you have OTT when you raise? I really doubt you're raising your draws IP vs pfr in this spot.

AP river has to be a shove since he calls off AK

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05-26-2016 , 11:51 AM

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jeccross

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He has AK of course you can value bet.

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05-26-2016 , 12:41 PM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by Clanty

What bluffs do you have OTT when you raise?

Could use some stuff like T9 or hearts floats.

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05-26-2016 , 01:38 PM

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Evil-eye

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Like Bob Marley, I'm jammin'.

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05-26-2016 , 05:49 PM

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IamMrLorax

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Originally Posted by Clanty

What bluffs do you have OTT when you raise? I really doubt you're raising your draws IP vs pfr in this spot.

AP river has to be a shove since he calls off AK

AT, Axhh floats

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05-27-2016 , 10:08 AM

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Clanty

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Raising AT/Axhh floats would be bad OTT when PFR is barrelling and looking to go broke on you, calling nfd's with the implied odds has a much higher EV. We shouldn't have a raising range ott tbh

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05-27-2016 , 02:37 PM

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jeccross

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You don't want to raise on a turn where half the deck is action killers? Ok...

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05-27-2016 , 02:57 PM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by Clanty

Raising AT/Axhh floats would be bad OTT when PFR is barrelling and looking to go broke on you, calling nfd's with the implied odds has a much higher EV. We shouldn't have a raising range ott tbh

Your straight draws don't have much implied odds here. If you don't want to raise because you think he'll barrel off then that's an exploitative adjustment. If you don't want to raise because you have no bluffs, then that's easily solved.

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05-28-2016 , 08:22 AM

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IamMrLorax

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

I agree that my bluffs are scarce here but playing an exploitative line surely this is fine.

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05-28-2016 , 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax

I agree that my bluffs are scarce here but playing an exploitative line surely this is fine.

If you are playing an exploitative like you should really give reads and an explanation in the OP as this may change peoples perspective on the hand.

With all the straight combos, the turn raise overreps your hand a little imo and you are in a horrible spot if he jams with this stack depth.

Calling turn is best for balance, the easiest way to play the hand and the most profitable against an unknown but presumed decent opponent imo.

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05-28-2016 , 08:43 AM

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IamMrLorax

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Originally Posted by CCM

I dont think you average 25nlz player warrents being perfectly balanced against and think the games are pretty soft. Vil will never fold a fd, AK, KQ or other pair+fd/sd so i think we would be missing value

Pretty much, I think an exploitative style is good and we can transfer to a balanced strategy if villan 'earns it'.

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05-28-2016 , 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax

I'm assuming this is Pokerstars, in which case I don't really agree. I think most 25nl regs are decent to the extent that they wont be doing the above.

For example I think for most the turn is a clear c/c with hands like KQ as there is not that many hands they can target for value and it really sucks to get raised off your equity.

Also I think the turn is a pretty standard b/f with AK no draw in villains shoes. Even c/c can be considered in certain circumstances

Because of this I don't think villains betting range is quite how you perceive it.

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05-28-2016 , 09:22 AM

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IamMrLorax

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Originally Posted by CCM

Again this was not a reg it was a standard 25nlz player (yes stars). I agree against a decent reg C is probs better but he was runing ~22/15.

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05-28-2016 , 11:53 AM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by IamMrLorax

I agree that my bluffs are scarce here but playing an exploitative line surely this is fine.

Yeah, that's fine. My point was to Clanty saying we have no bluffs. If we're exploiting the tendency of this villain or 25nl players in general, we don't care about having enough bluffs. But, if we did care, then we could easily introduce some.

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05-31-2016 , 11:58 AM

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meale

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Have to rip it. You're ahead on the turn and river doesn't change that ever.

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