Now I know I probs should have just mucked this pre but couldn't resist playing this hand super deep.

First off I should of gone a little bigger pre I know still not used to sizings at this stake

Completely lost OTT tho


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 122.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): 344.4 BB
BB: 53.24 BB
UTG: 251.12 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 118.36 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 343.96 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 8

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 20.6 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 10.6 BB

Flop: (45.2 BB, 2 players) Q 5 6
Hero bets 15.44 BB, CO calls 15.44 BB

Turn: (76.08 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 25.56 BB, CO raises to 55 BB, Hero calls 29.44 BB

River: (186.08 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO checks

I think you have no plan for the hand. That's the problem.

Given the villain's line, he's a total station/fish. We shouldn't be bluffing the turn ever. Semibluffing the flop is fine- but what's your plan if he raises your flush on the turn?

You're gonna just jam?

RIO bigtime for a deep stack- in fact, any card but your gutshot is no good. Sure, offsuit 7 is great... onsuit 7 is ok... short of that, you're pooched.

Why put money in against a station when you don't have equity?

Soooo what're you wanting to hear? You went for a crazy play and sometimes it works sometimes not. Decent hand to cold 4bet bluff.

the 4b is fine so long as you're not doing it often...

my problem is the lack of plan

What are you trying to do with such small bets? Do you want him to call, because I don't think you want him to call. Bet better pre, flop and turn.

This is a bluff?How we know the co is calling station ?
When you bet this small it looks like you have some pp or some weak draw

My plan was to bet pretty much all rivers for a decent size, given stacks sizes OTR I suppose its good if i need to get folds, I mean I have top set here like way more often then I have have air.

Sizings are pretty much my standard in 4bet pots I suppose I could of gone a lil bigger though given stack sizes however I don't want to be changing thinks up to different in terms of sizes for when I have it and when i don't

I just completely lost it OTT and didn't really think it through to much what i'm gonna do if i get raised at any point which i though would be little to no chance that would happen.

How do we know he's a station ffs? You are using hind sight just because you saw the min raise OTT.

OP stop doing this vs unknowns. You clearly had no idea what to do.

The only way I'm going start to know what to do is to be in these stops no?

Or just completely avoid them all together and just hope to not be in a weird spot.

I actually got this post and another post mixed up. I thought this was the guy that said he was a station. Turns out, was never said.

Makes a bit more sense now.

Still, the hand is terribly played. There's no plan, the sizings are god awful, and there's no final bluff that can make any decent player fold better holdings. If we're not planning on doing any of those things, why are we even playing poker?

Errrr wait- I know now. Given the action and lack of a raise on every street, the man is obviously a station and it should have been noted. That's just how I play.

Granted, I am abusing the results in order to call this guy a station... but honestly wtf is he doing? There's almost no hand the villain could have that he can play like this... other than maybe AK or AQ.

What would your plan and sizings look like?

I mean you did say the 4bet pre is fine, how would you play this post flop then?

I'll tell you how I would have done things as played, but it's going to quickly fall apart- because you did too much stuff I wouldn't have done and I'm going to be guessing on what he would do to respond.

On the flop I would bet about 25bb. If he calls, and this turn comes, if he's someone that I've seen float I would bet again. If he's someone that hasn't floated, or doesn't float, I would check. This is where it starts to get sticky and we haven't even hit the river yet.

If he raises, I fold- unless the raise is small enough to warrant a call... especially if he's made donk moves like this before.

See, it's going to get too messy.

Let's just imagine I mislpayed the hand to where you were and then I would act differently at that point.

But we're going to imagine I played the flop the way you did.

Turn:
We bet 25bb into 76bb. 1/3 pot bet. Absolutely silly. What are our plans if he calls or raises? I doubt we have one. If our hope is to make him fold, let's bet 43bb.

Now I have two options here and it's going to vary depending on the player. In fact, this whole thing is now getting crazily on a tangent... but let's keep going.

Let's say he calls my 43bb bet. 43+43+76 = 162bb in the pot.

Call-on-turn-then-riv:
Bet 125bb regardless of what comes. If I'm betting strong on the turn against a player, then I am going to follow my almost never-bluff with a full bluff. If I get looked up, it's great for meta (and I hardly ever bluff, especially this much). He can't raise without a winner. He can only raise if he's got you beat. So if that happens, we play our hand for value accordingly. If we make our flush or straight, we're calling a raise probably. If the board pairs and we make our flush, we might even find a fold... because I doubt we're ahead if he's raising there. His line looks really like KK/QQ if that's what happens- and even if it's not... good for him for cold calling a bunch of streets with air and then moving us off our hand. Not gonna bode well for him against our usual tight range.

But what if he raises the turn?
Depending on his raise size, I probably fold. We went from 1 in 3 to 1 in 6 for hitting our flush... and now we need some damn good odds in order to justify this thing. Further... some of his range has us drawing dead (especially with a turn raise), and it's just a scary situation to raise in. If he min clicks-back or something, I probably still fold. I'm not going to start jamming my stack in the middle with nothing.

But that was my plan for the hand which started preflop.

And everyone's going to probably chime in with how terrible it is- but it should be noted I would hardly ever do this. Maybe once per 300-400 hands. You have to mix it into your game, because it's honestly printing money.

But I've said enough and you're probably not gonna read it. Nor agree with it. That's the nature of the poker player. A million pros on this site, yet hardly anybody is making money. Gotta look at justifications, not suggestions.

I actually read it all and really appreciate you responding, its the reason I post hands in this forum not so I can tell everyone I'm right and their wrong.

FWIW I rarely do this, this was just 1 of those times.

I'm really not a fan of betting small when I'm OOP & want people to fold

Even though we r this deep I fold pre.
If i was to 4b, I 4bet a little bigger, and cbet just a little bit bigger. Other than that well played

''We bet 25bb into 76bb. 1/3 pot bet. Absolutely silly''

absolutely standard is a 4b pot. 60% single bet pot, 50% 3bet pot, 0.33% 4bet pot
See the trend?

WP

GLGL

NH. I like a lot of the lines you take. I may check call turn as I think this board is as good for him as it is our value range. Not a 300bb pro by any means.

You're gonna fire a baby bet on a wet board oop without a likely winner on the flop as a feeler bet?

I dunno, that sounds like 8 misplays in 1.

Standard is a losing play.