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25nl: A rare 3barrel bluff. 25nl: A rare 3barrel bluff.

08-19-2010 , 03:55 PM
Villain is 23/16. I would describe him as a bad tag. Seems slightly passive but nothing out of line over the 100 hand sample or so.

Is this a decent spot to 3barrel? Obv our hand sucks but given villains range is it really bad?

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG): $25.00
MP: $25.00
CO: $36.20
BTN: $47.74
SB: $36.93
BB: $27.59

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 2 2
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.35) K 6 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, CO calls $3.75

River: ($12.85) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $7
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08-19-2010 , 04:08 PM
bad spot to do it.has to work way more than it will, therefor you shall be checking the turn and giving up

Last edited by bigacsiga; 08-19-2010 at 04:08 PM. Reason: allover bad spot, unless he has tendencies to double float and fold rivers. he might even call KQ if he is bad
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08-19-2010 , 04:10 PM
I like river more than I like turn here...
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08-19-2010 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dcredskins24
I like river more than I like turn here...
Can you please explain?
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08-19-2010 , 04:33 PM
c/f turn you have far better two barrel hands in your range than this and there aren't enough super scary river cards to generate the kind of FE vs his range required to make it profitable
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08-19-2010 , 04:44 PM
dont like it especially on nl25

this plays just reduce ur winrate alot in those limits man
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08-19-2010 , 04:47 PM
On a scale of 1 till 10 I give this 1.
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08-19-2010 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
On a scale of 1 till 10 I give this 1.
I think we need a new scale for how bad this is.
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08-19-2010 , 05:01 PM
i don't understand why you would choose this spot. it's so hard for him NOT to have a hand.
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08-19-2010 , 05:21 PM
hes never folding a K on the turn or many hearts, id give up myself.
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08-19-2010 , 05:58 PM
not a good spot

3barreling depends on the player just as much as it depends on the board

i dont like the turn bet
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08-19-2010 , 06:20 PM
I saw the player as being generally bad and passive. I think he was likely to float a street with most of his pocket pairs. For that reason I chose to barrel the turn in order to fold out 33-88, TT,JJ that don't hold a heart.

The only issue I have is that I have no clue how often he is floating Ax on the flop. Obviously if he is doing this regularly frequently then he can have Ah in his range which naturally sucks.

When he calls the turn I think is range is a decent amount of Kx (KT-AK) maybe some K9.

At the river I would expect him never to call without a heart. The only hearts in his range are I guess maybe underpairs with a heart. JJ/TT with a heart and KxJh. AK will be 3betting pre most of the time so that's less combos making AhKx less likely.

I guess this boils down to whether:

a) he floats A high on the flop
b) he calls 77/88 on flop and turn and river if he binks a heart.

I personally don't think a guy who I viewed as slightly weak tight is doing either of these things with a particular high frequency hence I chose to 3barrel the mofo.

Is this thinking bad?
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08-19-2010 , 06:29 PM
Push it curly.
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08-19-2010 , 06:50 PM
C/r turn is better than barrelling, he's gonna fold all his thin value (KQ-) to the baluga. If he calls then he probably has the nuts or a boat as I don't think many 6's are in his range and you can shut down (and actually lose less - while folding out more!). As played it's a guessing game whether JxJh, KxJh, random floated Ah, are still in his range / willing to call. If you're gonna fire 3rd though you obv need to make it more, like Jh or Th are never folding to those odds. Overbet shove might level some thinking villians into a fold. But again I would c/r not barrel that turn
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08-19-2010 , 06:59 PM
Not the best spot to barrel, he's obviously pretty bent on calling you down for whatever reason. River is a little scary for anyone who doesn't have a good heart but he didn't fold to the flush scare card on the turn so he's probably not going to on the river either.
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08-19-2010 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiiftx
On a scale of 1 till 10 I give this 1.
lolled

If you have reads about him floating alot you could 2th barrel, but you should have noticed the 3 hearts on board. That will highly increase the chance of him calling your 2th barrel because he will a FD very often (if not a flush)
On the river he isn't folding his flushes. You would have to bet a lot bigger.

tl dr: Your FE is way to low, if you have any at all(he could have a boat), so just c/f turn
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08-19-2010 , 07:31 PM
in general betting the river on a 4 flush board is a good move. Someone had a theory about it like baluga or zeebo, just cant remember. Looked it up, it is the Clarkmeister theory: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...ummary-430765/

flop is obv standard.

turn is close but think you do get a lot of flop floats that you need to knock out from higher pairs.

Last edited by blocka; 08-19-2010 at 07:35 PM. Reason: name of theory.
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08-20-2010 , 04:53 AM
if you're opening with 22 UTG you're gonna be in this predicament a lot
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08-20-2010 , 05:05 AM
i dont like the turn bet but once you get to the river betting is a no-brainer imo
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08-20-2010 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by adzt
if you're opening with 22 UTG you're gonna be in this predicament a lot
how's that?
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08-20-2010 , 08:09 AM
I agree that the turn is a pretty meh spot and this is in itself pretty meh in general. Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

Thanks for the ****s trolling as well. On a scale of 1 to 10 I give your usefulness to these forums a 1.
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