SB was a 18/16 on 173 hands with 3bet 8.6 (6 from the SB).
This is my thinking process. On the flop I thought he haven' t hit so i donk bet to take the pot but when he calls i made him on an overpair (99/TT/JJ). When the A comes down on turn i bet to represent it in bluff but when SB calls i give up, for this reason on river i check behind.
My concerns are:
- Should i have to bet more on the flop (like 3$ o pot)?
- What do you think about a 3 barrel on river in bluff?
Feel free to comment, insults or whatever
PS: please forgive any mistakes i could have could in english grammar (i'm italian) or in posting hand
flop id check back and go for SD value. Flop we bet for thin value? turn we are turning our hand into a bluff? Id kind of shove the river if we barrel the turn
Besides that, when he check-calls the flop he usually has Ax so the turn is a really ****ty barreling card.
Yes, you're totally right. I've made a big mistake by betting the turn... Thank you!!
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Originally Posted by Mark89er
fold pre
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also u give a thought process on everything except pre?
Sorry, I forgot that. Pre i call because I play very aggressive 23/19 and i thought that he was playing back at me. In fact i've made him not on a pair pre (TT/JJ/QQ) and for this reason i've bet on the flop, that rarely hits his range (that's what i thought). Thank you!!
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Originally Posted by PeoplesElbow
fold to the 3bet pre, its a leak.
flop id check back and go for SD value. Flop we bet for thin value? turn we are turning our hand into a bluff? Id kind of shove the river if we barrel the turn
You're totally right, if i want to bluff i should have done that. Do you think that i can make him pass with a shove and do i have enough fold equity? Because playing this way on the river i only represent a set of 4/8 or 5. Thank you!!
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Originally Posted by thePiranha
I dont mind his call pre, but the rest of the play is spew.
Value betting is the way to go but not on a nit.
Yes i spew too much, that's why i cannot beat the level...that's a major leak of mine... Tahnk you very much!!
fold pre. setmining in 3bet pots with 22 is pretty bad, bc you are relying only on hitting your 2 outs vs. a pretty wide range.
with more reads i might 4bet/f as a bluff sometimes.
betting flop is ok to pick up dead money and protection. we basically have air here. he pretty much always has two overcards here. it is not that we get value later with 22 if we check, i really see no merit in checking back .
when he cc a big chunk of his range is AQ+. i would give up ott
You're totally right, if i want to bluff i should have done that. Do you think that i can make him pass with a shove and do i have enough fold equity? Because playing this way on the river i only represent a set of 4/8 or 5. Thank you!!
Not on an board where there is an A, because if they have TP they are not folding, if it was J or a Q high, then I like it more, as you could have KK/AA here a small % of the time thats not 4betting pre. No one is every gonna fold Ace pairs in a 3bet pot come the river in this hand.
Fold or 4bet pre. If he's 3betting you with a lot of hands, then you might 4bet and get it in. But the fact alone that you play loose doesn't mean that he's playing back at you. Besides, 23/19 isn't particularly loose.
When he checks the flop to you, your bet is fine. You'll get looked up with his strong aces and you'll avoid getting bluffed off the hand later.
I would check back any turn (except a 2, of course). He's not calling two streets in a 3bet pot with ace-high, so you're not getting any value from worse hands. And he's not folding his overpairs if a low turn comes, so you're not folding out better. Also, on this particular turn, as Lobster said, the ace hits his range really hard here.
Give up on the river. Most of his range at this point are strong aces, and he's not folding them to an all-in river bet that's only about 67% of the pot. He doesn't have KK-TT here very often, since he's usually betting those hands on the flop and he's sometimes folding them on the turn.
You're totally right, if i want to bluff i should have done that. Do you think that i can make him pass with a shove and do i have enough fold equity? Because playing this way on the river i only represent a set of 4/8 or 5. Thank you!!
Yes i spew too much, that's why i cannot beat the level...that's a major leak of mine... Tahnk you very much!!
once he 3bets pre and check calls flop you can discount TT-KK pretty much always as they would bet for value. They usually flat mid PPs as well. So their check calling range is mostly made of AQ+. Betting flop is ok, putting any more money in the pot on later streets is spewy. Otr you cant bluff him off anything.
Not on an board where there is an A, because if they have TP they are not folding, if it was J or a Q high, then I like it more, as you could have KK/AA here a small % of the time thats not 4betting pre. No one is every gonna fold Ace pairs in a 3bet pot come the river in this hand.
Thank you very much, i've cleared my mind. I totally agree and i also think that he wouldn't have fold on the river.
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Originally Posted by Acquittal
Fold or 4bet pre. If he's 3betting you with a lot of hands, then you might 4bet and get it in. But the fact alone that you play loose doesn't mean that he's playing back at you. Besides, 23/19 isn't particularly loose.
When he checks the flop to you, your bet is fine. You'll get looked up with his strong aces and you'll avoid getting bluffed off the hand later.
I would check back any turn (except a 2, of course). He's not calling two streets in a 3bet pot with ace-high, so you're not getting any value from worse hands. And he's not folding his overpairs if a low turn comes, so you're not folding out better. Also, on this particular turn, as Lobster said, the ace hits his range really hard here.
Give up on the river. Most of his range at this point are strong aces, and he's not folding them to an all-in river bet that's only about 67% of the pot. He doesn't have KK-TT here very often, since he's usually betting those hands on the flop and he's sometimes folding them on the turn.
I know that playing 23/19 isn't very aggressive, but for the average field of NL20 on Ongame.it those stats are aggressive, because all the reg are very tight
By the way, thank you very much for your analysis, especially on the turn about value even if another card would have come down because I always forget about getting value in cash game.
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Originally Posted by baohoa
Betting flop is ok, putting any more money in the pot on later streets is spewy. Otr you cant bluff him off anything.
Yes i've made a big mistake by betting the turn and bluffing the river would only have been spewing, thank you very much!
I know that playing 23/19 isn't very aggressive, but for the average field of NL20 on Ongame.it those stats are aggressive, because all the reg are very tight
you are really comforting me. I thougt the nits were all on pokerclub
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