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Old 06-10-2012, 07:38 PM   #1
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175-200 bb strategy advice

Just have a few questions how your game changes once you've doubled up.

1) Do you change your opening raise sizes?

2) Does you post flop lines change?

3) Do you play a different range vs another deep stacked opponent?

4) What's the biggest adjustment you make?


I dug through a few stickies and couldn't find much. If anyone knows a good sticky on this let me know.

Thx for any advice in advance.
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:11 PM   #2
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

I will play more SC's in position, especially against other deep stacks. My flop lines are usually fairly consistent but I may take for jabs at pots in good spots where my opponent looks week. Raise sizes stay the same, its all relative to the other players stacks so adjust accordingly to them. If you are raising another 200 BB stack from the BU and villain is BB i would make it 4-4.5 each time instead of 2.5-3
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:20 PM   #3
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

Any difference in how you play your big pairs against another deep stacks AA-TT?
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:25 PM   #4
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

ya the most major change is with your bet sizing. if you only 3x stuff out of position, assuming that is your standard 100bb deep, they will be getting too good odds to call and crush your stack.
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:31 PM   #5
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Any difference in how you play your big pairs against another deep stacks AA-TT?
1010-QQ im 3betting/calling 4bet
AA-KK obv takin em straight to the bank.

But as poker goes its all player dependent
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:19 PM   #6
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

As a preliminary matter, a deep stack only matters against another deep stack. If you are sitting at a table with 300bb and all the other players are 100bb deep, you are not deep stacked - your effective stack is 100bb. So question 3 is a no sequitur - you aren't making any strategy adjustments against anyone other than a deep stack.

1) No. I don't change my open size, since there are usually more 100bb stacks than deep stacks at a table. In a game with a bunch of deep stacks, maybe I should, though I suspect that an extra 2bb preflop is not going to have much impact.

2) Against another deep stack, I'm much more cautious with TPTK and 2-pair type hands. Position is much more valuable with deep effective stacks. Against the right villain, bluffs become more effective, but at uNL you still need to be carefull. A big bluff against a luckbox whale 200bb deep is still going to be a massive spew.

3) Absolutely. As noted above, the only changes you do make should be against other deep stacks. Implied odds are much more important, so I am more willing to call in position and 3 bet with hands like connectors that can flop a hidden straight and stack another deep stack.

4) The biggest adjustment is to be willing to play more speculative hands in position and think carefully about what my villain is likely to stack off with.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:27 PM   #7
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As a preliminary matter, a deep stack only matters against another deep stack. If you are sitting at a table with 300bb and all the other players are 100bb deep, you are not deep stacked - your effective stack is 100bb. So question 3 is a no sequitur - you aren't making any strategy adjustments against anyone other than a deep stack.

1) No. I don't change my open size, since there are usually more 100bb stacks than deep stacks at a table. In a game with a bunch of deep stacks, maybe I should, though I suspect that an extra 2bb preflop is not going to have much impact.

2) Against another deep stack, I'm much more cautious with TPTK and 2-pair type hands. Position is much more valuable with deep effective stacks. Against the right villain, bluffs become more effective, but at uNL you still need to be carefull. A big bluff against a luckbox whale 200bb deep is still going to be a massive spew.

3) Absolutely. As noted above, the only changes you do make should be against other deep stacks. Implied odds are much more important, so I am more willing to call in position and 3 bet with hands like connectors that can flop a hidden straight and stack another deep stack.

4) The biggest adjustment is to be willing to play more speculative hands in position and think carefully about what my villain is likely to stack off with.
nice post.

i'd add one more thing: we should play a little more tricky, and always play IP. Position is more important in deep stack play.

One question: Why not change the raise sizes?
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:08 AM   #8
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

3b in position more
be very polarized post flop
dont fold to 3bets in position
pot control with hands you don't wanna build to big of a pot with
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:43 AM   #9
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

i pretty much bluff constantly deep stacked people dont like putting in 200bbs so i pretty much barrel them all in every hand vs another deep stack player
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:53 AM   #10
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

Nice post SCF! Thx!
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i pretty much bluff constantly deep stacked people dont like putting in 200bbs so i pretty much barrel them all in every hand vs another deep stack player
bad strategy.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:51 PM   #12
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

1) See more flops
2) Dont see more showdowns

imo. as far as 2 is concerned - its a mixture of you being more aggressive post flop alongside getting away from hands that have little equity to improve on wetter boards.
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Old 06-11-2012, 03:12 PM   #13
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

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Just have a few questions how your game changes once you've doubled up.

1) Do you change your opening raise sizes?

2) Does you post flop lines change?

3) Do you play a different range vs another deep stacked opponent?

4) What's the biggest adjustment you make?


I dug through a few stickies and couldn't find much. If anyone knows a good sticky on this let me know.

Thx for any advice in advance.
no

yes

yes

pot control more
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:49 PM   #14
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Re: 175-200 bb strategy advice

Play a tonne more IP and hands that make the nuts have increased importance so I like playing AX suited hands more as I get deeper.

I also will bet 90%+ of pot a lot more, especially in 3bet pots.

When 100BB deep you can bet 50% pot on 3 streets and get all the $$$ in in a 3bet pot, but takes larger % bets when you are 200BB deep.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:08 PM   #15
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bad strategy.
actually deep stacked poker is the strongest part of my game. U only need them to put in 50bb and fold a couple of tiems to own them
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