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04-23-2017 , 12:48 PM

bharrison

adept

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 743

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37709911

BTN: $19.91 (124.4 bb)
SB: $9.65 (60.3 bb)
BB: $36.56 (228.5 bb)
UTG: $18.02 (112.6 bb)
MP: $24.69 (154.3 bb)
Hero (CO): $18.84 (117.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.32, BB folds

Flop: ($0.96) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $0.32, Hero raises to $1.28, SB calls $0.96

Turn: ($3.52) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $1.76, Hero calls $1.76

River: ($7.04) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $6.21 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.21

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vs fish, just posting this for my own sanity. surely we have to call down? is there any merit to just jamming turn

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04-23-2017 , 01:20 PM

Karrlitos1

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 1,749

Nh.

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04-23-2017 , 01:32 PM

tomj

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 4,543

Yes and yes, can be leading out with JQ,AQ,J9,Q9, got to put fish in a position to make a bad call.

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04-23-2017 , 01:39 PM

NoLife

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 199

FLOP: In that board I think that call is better. With call you keep Kx and Tx. With raise the most hands that will call are winning from you.

TURN: Call is OK. 2d help you. I do not like jamming here because the same reasons that I do not like raise OTF.

RIVER: I think is close because V is a fish, but I prefer fold.

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04-23-2017 , 02:00 PM

Magyc

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 223

Looks fine here, only thing i am not sure about is the pot raise flop, could it be a bit smaller to keep a bigger part of his range that we beat? (unless you think he is fishy enough to call with the same range to a 3x or 4x raise)

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04-24-2017 , 02:32 PM

Chipaddict93

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 58

I also don't think there is a need for the raise on the Flop (unless Villain is super spewy and we want to get it in quickly). You don't have to protect from anything, and raising the flop just shuts down further action from Tx donk bets.

As played we represent a pretty strong range of hands, which he can't really expect us to fold on the River. That's why I rarely see anyone bluffing there, the only hand we really beat is KQ or some weird QQ. Against Unknown I like folding the river tbh, against fish I can see a case for calling.

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04-24-2017 , 07:56 PM

Haizemberg93

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 7,254

if you dont jam turn with KT then you probably can afford to fold the river because you ll have KT AA KK TT 22 and all QJ combos otr but if you do then calling is probably ok

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04-24-2017 , 09:40 PM

whitemares

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,762

I'm jamming turn, this is an easy stack off vs some random fish. Hard for villain to have better and can surely call with worse

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04-24-2017 , 10:26 PM

Magyc

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 223

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Originally Posted by whitemares

I'm jamming turn, this is an easy stack off vs some random fish. Hard for villain to have better and can surely call with worse

Even if he is a random fish, i don't think getting it in with TPTK is a good idea here. Calling him down is nice because we not only let him value bet himself with some Kx or Tx, but we also let him bluff whatever else he decided to lead with. We also shouldn't be scared of letting him see more cards because our hand doesn't need much in terms of protection. Could be wrong here though so I'll appreciate any input

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04-24-2017 , 10:39 PM

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whitemares

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,762

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Originally Posted by Magyc

Even if he is a random fish, i don't think getting it in with TPTK is a good idea here.

I think you're underestimating the strength of TPTK on a dry board vs a short fish.

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Originally Posted by Magyc

Calling him down is nice because we not only let him value bet himself with some Kx or Tx

Villain is a fish though, so we can bet or raise ourselves and get a greater amount of value at nearly the same frequency.

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Originally Posted by Magyc

but we also let him bluff whatever else he decided to lead with.

The only problem I have with this is it looks like villain is trying to set their own price for drawing or getting to showdown with a marginal hand, and we don't really want that when we have a rather strong one.

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Originally Posted by Magyc

We also shouldn't be scared of letting him see more cards because our hand doesn't need much in terms of protection.

This is probably true though.

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04-24-2017 , 11:17 PM

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Magyc

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 223

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Originally Posted by whitemares

I think you're underestimating the strength of TPTK on a dry board vs a short fish.

Villain is a fish though, so we can bet or raise ourselves and get a greater amount of value at nearly the same frequency.

The only problem I have with this is it looks like villain is trying to set their own price for drawing or getting to showdown with a marginal hand, and we don't really want that when we have a rather strong one.

This is probably true though.

Thanks for the detailed reply, haven't played online in a while so I could be a bit rusty in that matter. About V setting his own price, that definitely seems like it OTF and I'm fine with the raise there. OTT he goes for a sizing that, given his stack size and the SPR, when we raise we almost always end up all in either turn or river. Then again it comes back to the first point, which I can't really argue because of not being familiar with fishes in this limit.

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04-25-2017 , 12:46 PM

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ARCANGEL0

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 2,799

WP

is there any merit to just jamming turn > not really

glgl

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