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[10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem?

04-26-2017 , 10:21 PM
No.1

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $31.58 (315.8 bb)
    BB: $13.65 (136.5 bb)
    UTG: $14.62 (146.2 bb)
    MP: $19.95 (199.5 bb)
    CO: $10.95 (109.5 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $10.05 (100.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
    UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.93, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.63

    Flop: ($2.01) 6 K Q (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.63, UTG raises to $2.22, Hero calls $1.59

    Turn: ($6.45) T (2 players)
    UTG bets $4.62, Hero calls $4.62

    River: ($15.69) 3 (2 players)
    UTG bets $2.27, Hero calls $2.27

    Spoiler:
    Results: $20.23 pot ($0.91 rake)
    Final Board: 6 K Q T 3
    UTG showed K T and won $19.32 ($9.28 net)
    Hero mucked K A and lost (-$10.04 net)


    Villian is 4 tabler(unknown and no hand history)
    I bat 1/3 pot on the flop. since it's 3bet pot against UTG which is his range is quite narrow. his value x/r range is KK(1combo), QQ(3combo), KhQh(1combo) and In my opinion some bluff range is AQo(7combo), AQs(2combo) and some flushdraw like AJ, AT, QJ?
    On the flop I guess his check calling range is narrow as well. So I try 1/3 bet to widen range. That size is exactly 1/3 pot bet after raked. Is it bad thought process? and what about turn ? Is it just cooler or mistake? I never thought he could call KTs UTG against BTN 3bet

    No.2

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $20.42 (204.2 bb)
      UTG: $24.30 (243 bb)
      MP: $24 (240 bb)
      CO: $10.32 (103.2 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $10.63 (106.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.22, SB folds, BB calls $0.12

      Flop: ($0.49) 5 K 9 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.44

      Turn: ($1.69) 9 (2 players)
      BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

      River: ($3.69) 2 (2 players)
      BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

      Spoiler:
      Results: $7.69 pot ($0.35 rake)
      Final Board: 5 K 9 9 2
      BB showed 9 7 and won $7.34 ($3.52 net)
      Hero mucked A K and lost (-$3.82 net)


      Villain is 1 tabler unknown
      I did 1/3 pot size bet on the flop. and I have called check-raise as well. Can I raise from here?
      What should I have done OTF and later streets?

      Last edited by latico; 04-26-2017 at 10:28 PM.
      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 02:58 AM
      no1 I think I will just call a UTG preflop raise with my AKo and I will fold in the river.No2 I think its OK。


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      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 04:52 AM
      Hand 1: I think you can go 1/2 pot on the flop. Also, I doubt he is raising AQ as a bluff on a flop that you're crushing. I would think you're mostly facing sets, 2pair and fds. I probably fold turn when he bets that size and our range is heavy on overpairs, tptk and sets.

      Hand 2: Again, I think you can go bigger on the flop, otherwise wp imo.
      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 05:11 AM
      Hand 1: I dont mind the smaller flop sizing's in 3b pots, as it keeps floats in, and ranges wide (dependent on texture). Call flop, and consider folding turn - looks like straight up value. He also has fewer speculative hands which flopped a FD (e.g. 910 spades) as he opened from UTG, and called your sizeable 3b pre oop. plus, on this turn some of his raise bluffs/semi-bluffs, such as K10s, AJs get there (without hitting their FD). Even KJs picks up more equity w/ the open-ended straight draw. His range just crushes yours when he barrels turn, so just give it up probably - it always sucks folding AK in 3b pots when you hit TPTK lol.

      Hand 2: Go larger on this flop, BB's calling range hits a lot of weaker one pair hands on this flop, and a range of draws, so start extracting more value! As played, I'm calling down when ALL draws brick.
      Although the 9 turn may seem scary, It only reduces V's 2 pair combo's, and combo's that out-flop you, such as 99, 95 etc. Also V should not be raising the flop with a single 9, no draw, so his hand usually does not become any stronger on this turn.
      Only worry is that some opponents may shut down a lot of their bluffs when the board pairs like this, as competent players understand, this narrows their flop raise for value range. You can only begin changing you're play due to this when you have reads on V though.

      Last edited by DollarWill; 04-27-2017 at 05:16 AM.
      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 06:42 AM
      H1-is probably fold at some point AK is one of the weakest hands we can have on the river
      H2-i ok

      Btw both Vs play hands pretty badly imo
      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 10:59 AM
      Why are we betting flop so small?
      Actually you answered that already... second question is why do we assume his range is narrow in a 3bet pot, and also we contradicted this in hand 2 by betting 1/3 in single raised pot.
      Before we consider ranges I think we need to bet enough so villain can't call correctly with his draws. Can bet smaller in 3bet pot but still half pot or more.
      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 11:06 AM
      Demonstrated in hand 1 with a surprise showing of KTs. Happens all the time, even vs nits they will show up with all kinds, don't range too narrow.
      [10nl] Zoom AKo two hands. what's my problem? Quote
      04-27-2017 , 11:34 AM
      I think with these 2 textures we can go bigger in a 3bet pot. I prefer to cbet bet smaller on a drier flop where we have a huge range advantage. In flop 1 I think villain is going to have loads of suited Broadway's that are not really making a mistake v this sizing l.

      Flop 2 is a single raised pot so SPR will be bigger so if we cbet this sizing and BB defends cbet the pot is still going to be small going to the turn which is not the way we want it. Also in this single raised spot v a BB defend think of all the gutters , diamonds , weaker kings villain will have.

      I think the smaller cbetting typically works best in 3bet pots on drier flops where we have a huge range advantage. Like K27r or A33r those kind of textures. Where villain is often going at best to have less than 20% equity.
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