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10nl - TT - Weird spot pre flop 10nl - TT - Weird spot pre flop

06-26-2016 , 08:59 AM
    Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37364905

    CO: $13.18 (131.8 bb)
    BTN: $14.08 (140.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): $10.46 (104.6 bb)
    BB: $13.04 (130.4 bb)
    MP: $13.58 (135.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
    MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.20, BTN raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.80, 2 folds, CO calls $0.65

    Flop: ($2.75) 8 8 3 (3 players)
    Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1.67, Hero calls $1.67, CO folds

    Turn: ($6.09) 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($6.09) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    Spoiler:
    Results: $6.09 pot ($0.30 rake)
    Final Board: 8 8 3 2 K
    BTN showed A 3 and lost (-$2.52 net)
    Hero showed T T and won $5.79 ($3.27 net)



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    Hey guys, just wanna ask a few questions about this hand since it looked pretty weird to me at the time.
    Is there any other option pre other than calling? I think if we 4bet we are kinda turning our hand into a bluff but not entirely sure.
    If we called pre I feel like we have to call OTF. Would someone argue differently?
    My main question would be regarding the turn. If villain bets again, let's say 2/3 pot, can we safely fold?
    Any feedback appreciated!
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    06-26-2016 , 09:44 AM
    I would play it the same way, also would fold to turn bet.
    This are sucky spots to be in when u have TT or JJ your hand is kinda face up and villain has you by the balls.
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    06-26-2016 , 10:09 AM
    I don't think we 4-bet pre indeed, I would sometimes consider folding depending on the button.
    AP call flop. On the turn I would still call a small bet, but if he bets 2/3 I would fold.
    Well played
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    06-26-2016 , 10:30 AM
    I don't like calling w/ TT OOP here. I would 4Bet.
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    06-26-2016 , 01:33 PM
    4-bet or fold preflop for me. I don't like calling in the SB especially with multiple players left to act.
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    06-26-2016 , 05:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
    I don't like calling w/ TT OOP here. I would 4Bet.
    Why don't you like calling 1010 here? What about calling if it was only hero and BU in the hand preflop?
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    06-26-2016 , 05:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
    I don't like calling w/ TT OOP here. I would 4Bet.
    Why don't you like calling 1010 here? What about calling if it was only hero and BU in the hand preflop?
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    06-26-2016 , 06:09 PM
    Call is fine. 4b can be vert bad or very good depending
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    06-26-2016 , 06:12 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EveryDcsn
    Why don't you like calling 1010 here? What about calling if it was only hero and BU in the hand preflop?
    If BTN opens and we (hero) are SB. 3-bet is standard to me.
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    06-26-2016 , 09:00 PM
    You play pocket pairs for basically two reasons:

    1) It's value postflop as an overpair. Against some select opponents you may be able to play it for value as a hidden 2nd pair hand.

    2) You are trying to flop a set.

    Sometimes we get some weirdness. Axx flops against our KK and we don't get to play an overpair. 742 flops against our 88 that we originally only raised to make building a pot with a set easier. Whatever. In this case you flatted a 3-bet OOP so let's assume that you aren't playing for set value. If you think the Villain only will continue postflop with an overpair you shouldn't have been here anyway (lower PPs than TT rarely flop overpairs, for that matter TT does so <30% of the time so playing hoping to play overpair vs. overpair wasn't happening in the first place). With this in mind I fail to see why you are asking if anyone sees a fold if Villain bets on the blankest of blank turns.
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    06-26-2016 , 10:57 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by schamed
    If BTN opens and we (hero) are SB. 3-bet is standard to me.
    That's not an option here, BTN already 3bet.
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    06-27-2016 , 03:29 AM
    snap folding pre lol
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    06-27-2016 , 05:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EveryDcsn
    That's not an option here, BTN already 3bet.
    His question was what if only BTN and Hero are in the hand. Or did I get that one wrong?

    What about calling if it was only hero and BU in the hand preflop?
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    06-27-2016 , 07:01 AM
    Well, post-flop is fine. Pre every option kind of sucks and in the absence of reads I dislike 4-betting the most based on population reads, favouring folding.
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    06-27-2016 , 08:22 AM
    I like folding pre better than calling or 4betting. Like idk if some villains is even 5bet jamming with QQ at 10NL. + we dont block the nuts. As played i guess is not too bad, but i reckon u might see JJ/QQ often here. Edit: i cant really understand what he has when checking turn unless AA KK only that slowplay. AK should keep barrelling to fold exactly what u have.
    Someone bluffing river here? only sucks that river hits his range so often i guess and misses ours
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    06-27-2016 , 07:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by schamed
    His question was what if only BTN and Hero are in the hand. Or did I get that one wrong?

    What about calling if it was only hero and BU in the hand preflop?
    Oh yeah nvm, you're right.
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    06-27-2016 , 09:30 PM
    I think 4 betting pre would turn your hand into a bluff! I think the line the button took was weird but his range is still wide. The cutoff raises and the button 3 bets but since he has position we can't narrow his range to being JJ+, he could just be trying to isolate and since he's on the button I would keep his range wide. Villian will always cbet the flop, and you should always call if he barrels the turn because it's a brick and doesn't hit his range. River is only spot where it gets tricky because that hits his range and I think at that point it depends on the read you have, but I would elect to fold if villian bets too much.
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