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08-30-2014 , 02:01 PM

Zehh170

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Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 48

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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diZane22 (BTN): $11.65
admiralmd (SB): $11.78
Gega78 (BB): $10.00
Hero (UTG): $10.00
Markpie21 (MP): $11.83
hadoken2014 (CO): $11.53

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, admiralmd calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 9

(2 players)
admiralmd checks, Hero bets $0.43, admiralmd raises to $1.19, Hero calls $0.76

Turn: ($3.08) 4

(2 players)
admiralmd bets $2.14, Hero

Zoom game, no info from villain.
Could A9 or JT play like this?

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08-30-2014 , 02:34 PM

Herbbb

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 642

call evaluate river

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08-30-2014 , 02:53 PM

Sasquatch

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 152

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Originally Posted by Herbbb

call evaluate river

I agree. We're never folding Top Two on Turn. I would call a decent River bet by villain, if it was something like 1/2-2/3 pot.

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08-30-2014 , 03:08 PM

MattiasH123

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,071

Dont fold, dont jam. Call.

And yes, villains range include A9 and JT, as well as 99 and possible also QQ if he flats that occasionally against UTG.

Readless it is difficult, but think i would call most rivers except K, 8 and hearts

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08-30-2014 , 03:50 PM

Goku

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Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 549

I'd call turn and fold river because most players will only flat JTs pre and won't check raise it 100% otf so there are only a few combo's of that in his range when he takes this line and as said before he could have QQ/99 and probably also doesn't flat all A9 combo's, just A9s and might not check raise that 100% either so only a few combo's of that and the average player really isn't check raising flop and barreling off much with anything we beat, but we have outs vs QQ/99 and he can have some combo's of A9 and a few bluffs and maybe something silly like AK/AJ rarely, so I don't mind calling turn but you could fold it as well I think.

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08-30-2014 , 04:14 PM

samcx

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 4,303

Call down. Missed draws, Q9, A9, Spaz. If he flops a set v our top two nh buddy.

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08-30-2014 , 08:16 PM

PokerSparky

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,308

Definitely call the turn. I'm probably calling a reasonable sized river bet as well.

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08-30-2014 , 08:39 PM

Aleksei

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,116

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103,950 trials (Exhaustive)

board: A

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AxQy	53.61%	41,764	27,921
A9, 99, AQ, QQ, AA	46.39%	34,265	27,921

You can't fold here.

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08-30-2014 , 08:58 PM

Goku

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He doesn't have all combo's of A9

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08-30-2014 , 09:53 PM

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Aleksei

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,116

He also doesn't have AA almost ever, so let's try that again.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

11,880 trials (Exhaustive)

board: A

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQs	47.46%	4,149	2,978
AxQy,Ax9x,99,QQ,JxTx	52.54%	4,753	2,978

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

10,890 trials (Exhaustive)

board: A

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQs	50.97%	4,062	2,978
AxQy,Ax9x,99,JxTx	49.03%	3,850	2,978

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

6,930 trials (Exhaustive)

board: A

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQs	41.02%	1,354	2,978
AxQy,Ax9x,99	58.98%	2,598	2,978

You're still basically flipping most of the time.

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08-30-2014 , 10:20 PM

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globetrotter

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17,707

We're only behind 8 combos, and of those the AA and QQ combos are unlikely, and he's probably not raising 100% of his sets anyway.

Without reads we can't assume villain is never bluffing.

Call turn and most rivers too.

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08-30-2014 , 11:24 PM

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rmhumr

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calling down all day, with the intention of getting the money in.

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08-30-2014 , 11:46 PM

#13

siziono

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,125

You forgot to add in some back door hearts & some %x. I'd just call here.

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08-31-2014 , 01:19 AM

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DonkeyStars

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Call and call basically any river.

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08-31-2014 , 09:24 AM

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Coo-Coo-Kachoo

centurion

Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 191

Umm this is the kind of situation poker players have wet dreams about. The discussion of him having AA or QQ should be HEAVILY discounted and probably eliminated. Who on earth is flatting those from the sb? The possibilities here are A9, JT (maybe) heart draws (maybe), and Q9 (which rando fish will show up with here) not to mention what fish like to call "making a move" (which I think is the most likely scenario). This leaves only 3 combos 99 that's beating you. Fist bump call the turn to keep his bluff in and if he bets a safe river fist bump jam it. If he shows you 99 don't worry, you were born to lose your stack this hand. Suck it up and reload.

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08-31-2014 , 10:33 AM

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globetrotter

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Originally Posted by globetrotter

This should be 5 combos, not 8. Was thinking 6 combos of 99 instead of 3.

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