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10nl - strange sandwich (spot)! 10nl - strange sandwich (spot)!

06-24-2017 , 03:18 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $6.04
SB: $17.19
Hero (BB): $12.64
UTG: $9.85
MP: $10.90
CO: $11.63

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 7 K
UTG raises to $0.20, 3 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) 3 T J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.30, SB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.30) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, UTG calls $1.75, SB calls $1.75

River: ($8.55) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Really not sure about my line. Call OTF seems fine, turn play seems optimistic at best.. do we prefer a check due to limited fold equity (c/f turn certainly seems like the better play now that I further evaluate)?

what line are people taking?
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06-24-2017 , 04:28 PM
I would just fold the flop.You are OOP so its hard to bluff or get value when you hit,very easy to get stack by nut flush and no SDV.
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06-24-2017 , 04:31 PM
Yeh fold flop
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06-24-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
I would just fold the flop.You are OOP so its hard to bluff or get value when you hit,very easy to get stack by nut flush and no SDV.
Makes perfect sense, not sure why I didn't consider this right away. cheers
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06-24-2017 , 05:39 PM
Probably folding flop as played. Would likely donk on that kinda board multiway, and on turn I don't like the bluff.
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06-24-2017 , 05:47 PM
Why would you donk here?
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06-25-2017 , 04:49 PM
Fold the flop. The Turn bet makes no sense at all. They both apperently like there hand meaning you have basicly zero fold equity.
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06-25-2017 , 08:42 PM
You could even make an argument for folding pre.
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06-26-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
Why would you donk here?
we have flush draw and sometimes they fold? probably +EV and better than a check/call or check/raise.
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06-27-2017 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Check_The_Nuts
we have flush draw and sometimes they fold? probably +EV and better than a check/call or check/raise.
Flop bet is raised and called, so I doubt anything folds turn to donk of that size.

Anyway Im waiting for OP to show up and post hand results where his pair of 7s wins ;D
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06-27-2017 , 07:20 AM
I have to imagine your fold equity is pretty garbage on that turn. I'd rather try to realize equity facing two strong ranges.

Everyone already said fold flop, but I'll say it again since I think it's burning money.

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Originally Posted by Check_The_Nuts
we have flush draw and sometimes they fold? probably +EV and better than a check/call or check/raise.
Why would you expect donking to give more EV than a check/call?
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06-27-2017 , 10:20 AM
Fold pre.
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06-27-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfunnywobbl
Fold pre.
If you're folding pre you're ridiculously underdefending your big blind.

Folding flop is irritating but has to be done unfortunately.
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06-27-2017 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
I have to imagine your fold equity is pretty garbage on that turn. I'd rather try to realize equity facing two strong ranges.

Everyone already said fold flop, but I'll say it again since I think it's burning money.



Why would you expect donking to give more EV than a check/call?
Sometimes none of them have anything and they all fold. The likely small percentage of the time it happens will give you some ev. You're only way of winning with a check/call is to hit your draw. Also its awkward to check/call here and lead when the flush comes in, where if we lead its natural to bet turn on the flush and not look super fishy (although we still look like a flush, its just more accepted once you have the lead to continue with it and not look like a monster).

Yes sometimes we open ourselves up to a raise by donking, but they won't hit the 2pair+ they need to do that very often, and I think raising a draw is relatively rare. I mean if you think they are raising light we could shove as a semibluff I just don't advise it at these stakes/ever because people just dont raise that light here. So lets take advantage and get as much money in the pot as possible....
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06-28-2017 , 07:03 PM
Pre is ok, i would not bet turn just try to see cheap river
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06-29-2017 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by HELLutek
Flop bet is raised and called, so I doubt anything folds turn to donk of that size.

Anyway Im waiting for OP to show up and post hand results where his pair of 7s wins ;D
loll my pair of 7's did win.
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06-29-2017 , 06:21 AM
This now seems like a fairly easy fold OTF/check OTT. Heinseit is 20/20 lol. thanks for the replies/advise
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