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Why? Because we rep what we have?
True.

But. Do you think it is likely that one of them keeps on betting turn with air? When 3 players put in money on the flop which was dry and A high?

Do you think they are more likely to fold Ax to a donk bet than they are to check behind the turn with Ax? This is the crux isn't it. Do we get more value by checking and letting of them to vbet worse rather than by donking and getting them to call with worse.

I know theoretically donking turn is bad because we turn our hand face up. Still I'm pretty damn certain that an NL 10 reg is much more likely to check behind a weak Ax than to fold it to a donk bet.

At higher stakes where people valuebet bigger and hand read better and fold more often if they think they are behind, sure donking turn after c/c flop could be bad. Even then saying "donking turn is out of the question when we c/c flop", is a bit too much.

Here, c/c donk line really seems pretty good to me.

i could not fold the river, sucks, im such a bad player

lumi; mainly for balance, im never c/c bluffing. if you think they are so bad you'll get more value c/c donking then by all means. i just dont think its the most +ev line

Pokey wrote an excellent article criticising this whole "it turns our hand face up", at 10nl and the nanostakes it doesn't. There is just no way these villains are going to say "He's got 33, ****". They're more likely to think we have 2 pair, a 2, or we are trying to take the pot after it was checked on the flop.

What do you think the most +ev line here is then and why?

I fail to understand how a check on this turn is +ev. Sorry, but I think its a dreadful line. Villain raised pre and was called in LP. Both could have Ax in their range. Do they think we would call with a 2 pre?

The interesting spot here is CO has a 76% CB on the flop and he checks call on this dry board. Could we perhaps put him on AJ+ who wants to see a showdown cheaply due to the pot being multiway?

as i said. it depends on how bad they are, and they appear to be regs. i could be wrong as to how bad std nl10 regs are as i havent played that stake in a while

I would have gone broke myself. I would have Donked flop and Donk called Turn. The problem I have is C/C only to have 4or5 peel off and kill all my action.

So we in agreement then. I agree that c/c, donk is never a bluff.
I agree it's totally unbalanced. I agree that a good reg should fold a weak ace.

But I just think at NL10 they won't fold it, but they might very well check behind with it. They might even check behind AJ or even AQ. People tend to "pot control" almost anything at lower stakes.

that could very well be true

i considered leading the flop, but i would give up my relative position since CO is PFR. i wanted to trap dead money OTF so i elected to check/raise the CO or C/C when both call because i think c/r into two people looks too strong....

turn i was planning to check call again and probably lead most rivers...

when it checked through i had an easy valuebet on the river, and it wasn't a spot i think i would get raised unless he spiked 99... the real question is whether or not we need to go three streets of value here because i feel their ranges are so weak I should just go for two. is that wrong to be thinking that way?

its 99/AA/22 every time imo so im folding, honest to god

also XR flop for value no point in letting bluff coz he wont and nobody folds TP at these stakes

Damn vets these new school kids fold boats and quads on the rivers

I agree that donking flop is necessary along with betting the turn. We pretty much get value from worse and if we don't we're asking for trouble multiway.

I think checking is better than leading here. its a dry ace hi board that people love to cbet either as pfr or when pfr checks to them otb