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Old 07-01-2012, 03:41 PM   #1
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10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

Villain is one of the most unusual whales I have encountered. 93/75 over 104 hands, 72% 3bet (31/43 sample), fold to 3bet when raised 44% (4/9), 4bet 18% (2/11), fold to 4bet after 3bet 33% (1/3). He opens the pot for a raise 63% and open limps 37%, and and has only folded in the blinds when there has been action in front of him (like a raise and a 3bet), so he is literally playing ATC preflop. If he limps, he also almost always limp-3bets (he has called once, folded once and 3bet the remainer). One critical caveat - his open-raises are almost always min-raises and his 3bets are almost always min-raises as well.

Post-flop, his cbet is 53% (36% in 3bet pots), fold to cbet 57% (33% in 3bet pots), raise cbet 14% (1/7). His cbets tend to be 1-2x the pot size, though he is cautious when facing aggression and often goes into call-down mode when called (especially in position). According to Pokertableratings, villain has a spectacular loss rate of -166bb/100. I'd call him an aggro monkey, except his min-bets really don't put him in that category (and though he is clearly bluffing a fair amount post, he isn't doing it all the time.)

Notes are as follows:

[P] 3Bet range {77,AKs,A3s,T3s,85s,AKo,ATo,A5o,A3o,KQo,QJo,J8o,83 o} (13)
[P] Called 3Bets in position {J9o} (1)
[P] RWPC range {J9o,T2o,86o} (3)
[P] 3Bet+ Blind vs Blind range {77,AKs,T3s,85s,A5o,KQo,83o} (7)
[P] Limp and called a raise {K3o} (1)
[P] 3Bet Blind vs steals w/{AKs,T3s,A5o,KQo,QJo,J8o,83o} (7)
[P] 4Bet+ range {AQo,A5o} (2)
[P] Cold Called 2Bet In Position {97o} (1)
[P] Limped and reraised {A3s,AKo,ATo,A3o} (4)
[P] Called 2Bet from blinds range {TT,33} (2)
[F] Donked paired flop without trips or better (1)
[F] Donks flop with top pair or better (1)
[F] Called flop cbet with weak hand - no draw (1)
[R] River raise TP or 2-pair (3)

Two questions.

First, here's the hand.

Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $10.00
CO: $10.00
BTN: $18.12
SB: $10.45
Hero (BB): $17.89

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9 A

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45, 2 players) 8 9 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($1.85, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.85, 2 players) 9
Hero ???

Preflop, I would have 3bet in position, but felt like that could put me in a tricky position OOP. (After the fact I stoved the hand and A9s has 62% equity vs. ATC, so I should clearly have 3bet pre). Flop is villain's standard overbet sizing, which I am comfortable calling with TPTK. (I've seen him do this with an underpair and then shut down.) Should I be raising here? Since the villain has shown he can give up with weaker hands, I'm not sure I'll get value from worse and if he 3-bets, I'm not sure where I am (he could have 2-pair+ or be bluffing). Turn is a bad card, but villain checks back. On the river is this a check/call, bet/fold or bet/call?


Second, as a general matter, what's the best strategy against this villain? The rest of the table were a bunch of 22/16-ish TAGs. My general thought was to never 3bet bluff and 3bet widely for value in position with something like {88+,A8s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo}. Since he seems to like to limp-3bet with Ax, my plan was to raising his limps with {A9+,22+}. My calling range for his min-raises was something like {77-22,T9,98,87,76,65,JTo}. I could have probably 3bet and iso-raised wider against the fish, but the other regs at the table were occassionally 4betting, so I was wary of getting too far out of line. I also called his min-raises widely in the BB (for 1 extra bb) with Ax, hands like QTo, 97s, etc. Not sure about that strategy in retrospect, though.
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:50 PM   #2
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Re: 10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

tldr sorry.


i would c-snap the river, i think if they had Tx even they would bet again on the turn seems like they have air when it checks thought assuming hes a "agro whale"
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Old 07-01-2012, 03:59 PM   #3
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Re: 10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

I agree with c/snap the river.

As far as strat against this guy goes. Your game plan seems solid. I would be calling a lot of his overbets when I think I'm good and not trying to run many bluffs on the guy until he shows some weakness.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:00 PM   #4
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Re: 10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

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tldr sorry.


i would c-snap the river, i think if they had Tx even they would bet again on the turn seems like they have air when it checks thought assuming hes a "agro whale"
Sorry - the tldr part was really for the second question - how to deal with this type of player generally. Thanks for the input.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:57 PM   #5
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Re: 10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

3bet this guy with a wide range KJ+, AJ+, and when you flop top pair just go with it.

just value bet this dude wide, even like 2nd pair good kicker. play tons of pots in postion so you can PC, or just get the money in when you want.
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #6
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Re: 10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

Grunching:

This is dependent on his river stats. If I think he's going to check back on the river, then it's a b/c. If you think he's capaple of bluffing a lot then c/c. I'm not ever folding unless he spazzes out and shoves.

Strat:

iso raise this biotch. Don't do it with crap, but widen your range way out, and play straight forward on the flop as you're going to profit just by having a vastly superior range.

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Old 07-03-2012, 03:15 AM   #7
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Re: 10NL - Playing against a Weird Aggro Whale

B/c the river for value as he could call with s pair of 8s or 6s, I doubt he has a str8 since he checked the turn
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